[外電] 先別丟狗蛋的球衣

看板ChicagoBulls作者 (Tree666)時間13年前 (2011/06/01 12:20), 編輯推噓39(39041)
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http://tinyurl.com/4yt5llt So the Detroit Pistons are looking to dump Richard Hamilton and are rumored considering dumping the 8th overall pick to save 20 million or so in cash. The Bulls don't have a trade exception to save all that money for Detroit, so they can't get in on that deal. However, they might be able to dangle an even better deal for Detroit. One that also helps the Bulls considerably as well. Detroit trades Ben Gordon + #8th pick for Kyle Korver, Keith Bogans, Jannero Pargo, John Lucas III, and one (or both) of the Bulls late 1sts. I know what some of you will say: Ben Gordon can't defend. -- He's better than Kyle Korver Ben Gordon hogs the ball. -- They need that for the 2nd unit Ben Gordon costs too much. -- Without a hard cap it doesn't matter The Bulls need a selfish scorer to lead the second unit. They need a three point shooter who performs in the clutch. They need someone who can put the ball on the floor when team's try to chase them off the three point line. Ben Gordon can do all these things, Kyle Korver can not. This is a big talent upgrade. The Bulls can also likely resign Bogans after Detroit waives him to save money if they want him while Pargo and Lucas were signed to deals specifically to make trades easier. With the eighth pick the Bulls draft? Don't know, Kevin States will probably tell us soon, however, DraftExpress has this guy going eighth right now, and he sounds pretty good to me. Regardless of whom the Bulls get at eighth, it's likely someone who is more likely a future NBA starter with a likely to have a role player floor. Better than deep in the draft where we're hoping for role player potential with a 'not in the league' floor. So what's the catch? There are several. First, this plan hinges on the fact that the new CBA will not institute a hard cap. I believe that's likely, because I don't believe the owners are going to get the world, and a hard cap could actually be disastrous for the league as well as unlike football which has national interest due to fantasy football regardless of who is popular, parity may not work so well in the NBA. Of course we'll need to wait and see what the next CBA brings before knowing for sure. Unfortunately, the trade needs to be made prior to the new CBA being ratified, so the Bulls may get gun shy there. Can Ben Gordon and Bulls management get along? By the end, they clearly didn't like each other all that much. Gordon didn't wait for an offer from Chicago, and Chicago didn't look like it was going to make one if Gordon waited. I'm sure there was some bitterness over his failed contract negotiations with the Bulls in consecutive seasons, and Gordon was surely initially amped to join such a winning organization like the Detroit Pistons. Totally different atmosphere there I'm sure. However, this is a case where time should heal all wounds. Gordon's in the midst of basketball hell right now. His playing time has been crap, his performance has slipped, his team stinks badly, and quite frankly Detroit, as a city, is no Chicago. I'm guessing that winning sixth man of the year for Chicago sounds a lot better than trying to resurrect the Pistons with their current cast. From the Bulls perspective, there simply aren't many high caliber SGs out there available. Especially ones that can both shoot and put the ball on the floor. Gordon is a good guy, a bit aloof, but an extraordinarily hard worker, and would actually fit with coach Thibodeau's style of coaching very well as he takes basketball extraordinarily seriously. Thibs also has great respect for Gordon from when the Bulls played the Celtics in 2009. What would the new Bulls rotation look like? Starters: Rose, Brewer, Deng, Boozer, Noah Bench: Watson, Gordon, Bogans, Taj, Asik, Thomas, #8 (assuming we resign Bogans after Detroit waives him and bring back Thomas for one more year) That gives the Bulls to put forth explosive offensive and defensive line ups that they can't currently do as well as have someone to carry the scoring load with the bench unit. For this to work out well for the Bulls they don't merely rely on Ben Gordon becoming a great player or a star player, they only rely on him accepting his role as a bench player. Something he's far more likely to do after spending a two year stint in basketball hell. Would the Pistons really do this? Who knows. The rumors of their pick being available for cap relief might be greatly exaggerated. If not, shedding 32 million rather than 20 million seems like a pretty sweet deal for them. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 67.167.1.221

06/01 12:24, , 1F
糾竟~~~狗蛋會不會回來呢?
06/01 12:24, 1F

06/01 12:26, , 2F
是第一輪第八順位嘛??
06/01 12:26, 2F

06/01 12:30, , 3F
應該還會再加CJ Watson吧 Korver+Bogans應該還不夠
06/01 12:30, 3F

06/01 12:33, , 4F
老實說不考慮錢 Rose+Hinrich+Gordon的後場還滿好的
06/01 12:33, 4F

06/01 12:34, , 5F
活塞真處理了Gordon 那RIP就沒事了
06/01 12:34, 5F

06/01 12:35, , 6F
矮了點就是
06/01 12:35, 6F

06/01 12:36, , 7F
Rose+hinrich+狗蛋 是很多牛迷愛的組合
06/01 12:36, 7F

06/01 12:37, , 8F
這樣sg跟大鎖還有第6人都有了 上季科科+玫瑰同時在場上
06/01 12:37, 8F

06/01 12:38, , 9F
公牛打出一波連勝 順利搶到老8 科玫連線 威力不錯
06/01 12:38, 9F

06/01 12:40, , 10F
要是能成真就太好了
06/01 12:40, 10F

06/01 12:42, , 11F
狗蛋如果能回復轉隊前身手 那這筆交易 公牛算有賺
06/01 12:42, 11F

06/01 12:43, , 12F
明年noci約也到期 如果能回來 那公牛防守就更強了
06/01 12:43, 12F

06/01 12:43, , 13F
Gordon當第六人OK嗎??記得他也是需要持球時間、熱機慢
06/01 12:43, 13F

06/01 12:43, , 14F
Gordon熱機一點都不慢 他拿過最佳第六人的呀XD
06/01 12:43, 14F

06/01 12:43, , 15F
不過這樣RB可以拉上先發就太帥了,希望它可以強化三分
06/01 12:43, 15F

06/01 12:44, , 16F
而且現在回來心態上應該是可以接受當第六人
06/01 12:44, 16F

06/01 12:44, , 17F
狗蛋回歸是好事,但是少了Bogans這防守悍將
06/01 12:44, 17F

06/01 12:44, , 18F
替補好矮耶 尤其是小前鋒
06/01 12:44, 18F

06/01 12:44, , 19F
如果科科能當先發sg 那狗蛋當第6人好像比較適合
06/01 12:44, 19F

06/01 12:44, , 20F
柯柯韓可能要等到他變FA才有機會回公牛
06/01 12:44, 20F

06/01 12:46, , 21F
天啊 Gordon熱機慢 當他新人年第六人獎怎麼來的
06/01 12:46, 21F

06/01 12:46, , 22F
科科明年約到期 不過之前交易他換薪資事件 不知是否科科
06/01 12:46, 22F

06/01 12:47, , 23F
還不滿 希望總管能夠去跟他好好談 不過湖人據說也在搶他
06/01 12:47, 23F

06/01 12:48, , 24F
據說老鷹要拿Josh Smith+kirk換阿泰+bynum
06/01 12:48, 24F

06/01 12:49, , 25F
那個不可能成真啦= =
06/01 12:49, 25F

06/01 12:49, , 26F
不過我不知道活塞有必要拿到 第八順位來換嗎 我有點質疑
06/01 12:49, 26F

06/01 12:50, , 27F
防守的話少bogans是很可惜 大鎖巴爺暑假約到期
06/01 12:50, 27F

06/01 12:51, , 28F
因為活塞也要公牛未來的一個以上第一輪啊
06/01 12:51, 28F

06/01 12:51, , 29F
看有沒機會補到他 不過他的防守 應該滿搶手就是
06/01 12:51, 29F

06/01 12:52, , 30F
要補到很難 我還是賭魯蛋是滿體力的超人好了
06/01 12:52, 30F

06/01 12:53, , 31F
喔喔 那這筆交易到是還有道理
06/01 12:53, 31F

06/01 12:53, , 32F
以公牛戰力 未來第一輪順位大概也是倒數
06/01 12:53, 32F

06/01 12:53, , 33F
如果有第八順位 今年好歹也可以選到Alec Burks
06/01 12:53, 33F

06/01 12:54, , 34F
先發SG好好養他也不錯
06/01 12:54, 34F

06/01 12:54, , 35F
但是之前是因為大家還沒有認真守Rose阿...現在不同了
06/01 12:54, 35F

06/01 12:56, , 36F
可是今年後場火力全集中在Rose身上 對方也很容易守
06/01 12:56, 36F

06/01 12:56, , 37F
加上老席狂用1號戰術 對方非常好守
06/01 12:56, 37F

06/01 12:57, , 38F
有狗蛋在 還敢包羅斯 準備被射爆
06/01 12:57, 38F

06/01 12:57, , 39F
老席本來就把滷蛋當超人用阿 可是滷蛋又不是體能王LBJ
06/01 12:57, 39F

06/01 12:58, , 40F
之前包玫瑰是因為 他是進攻重心兼進攻發動機
06/01 12:58, 40F

06/01 12:58, , 41F
Gordon也是以第六人身分上場,可不見得他有多突出的表現
06/01 12:58, 41F

06/01 12:58, , 42F
看來T-mac還會再待一陣子
06/01 12:58, 42F

06/01 12:59, , 43F
如果玫瑰傳導進步又補上好的sg 公牛進攻戰術可以更靈活
06/01 12:59, 43F

06/01 13:00, , 44F
起碼最後一擊的選擇多了狗蛋這隻大心臟
06/01 13:00, 44F

06/01 13:05, , 45F
要跟三王拼 進攻點要多點 而且他們防守不輸公牛
06/01 13:05, 45F

06/01 14:20, , 46F
To easychen:Gordon在公牛時期就是熱機很快的第六人呀
06/01 14:20, 46F

06/01 14:21, , 47F
Gordon自己是希望打先發 但是此一時彼一時 Gordon應該
06/01 14:21, 47F

06/01 14:21, , 48F
可以接受自己在公牛就是"被安排"這件事實了
06/01 14:21, 48F

06/01 14:22, , 49F
Gordon最好的位置就是像小牛的JET 這樣是最棒的
06/01 14:22, 49F

06/01 17:54, , 50F
DET應該不會為了丟出Gordon而送出8號籤啦...
06/01 17:54, 50F

06/01 17:57, , 51F
CHI真的需要可以自行持球進攻的第6人。
06/01 17:57, 51F

06/01 17:57, , 52F
Gordon可以扮演這角色。
06/01 17:57, 52F

06/01 21:25, , 53F
1千萬的第6人 有這種錢 可以補很多位置了 何況他的防守比KK爛
06/01 21:25, 53F

06/01 21:41, , 54F
我是對現在的Gordan存疑,他還有多少身手看不出來
06/01 21:41, 54F

06/01 21:42, , 55F
而且我懷疑他也失去企圖心了
06/01 21:42, 55F

06/01 21:45, , 56F
跟樓上有同樣看法 他在活塞打先發都 沒法刷出漂亮數據了
06/01 21:45, 56F

06/01 21:46, , 57F
說不定賺到一紙肥約 企圖心跟身手早已不復存 千萬合約還是別碰
06/01 21:46, 57F

06/01 22:13, , 58F
我沒有狗蛋的7號球衣~不過有KUKOC的....
06/01 22:13, 58F

06/01 22:29, , 59F
太貴了 誰要接這種爛約阿
06/01 22:29, 59F

06/01 22:31, , 60F
拜託不要 回來的話感覺會變成累墜
06/01 22:31, 60F

06/01 22:36, , 61F
一千多萬的替補@@還有球員選擇權一千三百萬=.=慢走不送..
06/01 22:36, 61F

06/01 22:46, , 62F
活塞要砍預算嗎?近日連續傳出RIP&GORDON的乳摸!
06/01 22:46, 62F

06/01 22:48, , 63F
GORDON先發常被對方打點,以前有前隊長罩他!
06/01 22:48, 63F

06/01 22:50, , 64F
現在他的搭檔.....
06/01 22:50, 64F

06/01 22:54, , 65F
算了吧~以前就吃過後場雙衛不夠高的苦啦
06/01 22:54, 65F

06/01 22:59, , 66F
看了一下活塞今夏可跳脫合約球員為PRINCE & STUCKEY
06/01 22:59, 66F

06/01 23:02, , 67F
RIP&GORDON合約分別還有2年及3年,如果能清出開始重建
06/01 23:02, 67F

06/01 23:20, , 68F
重點應該是第八順位的籤 跟檯面上的好SG不多 或是不來
06/01 23:20, 68F

06/01 23:24, , 69F
弱選秀年 第8順位說不定還比18順位差咧 薪水卻多很多 不吸引人
06/01 23:24, 69F

06/01 23:29, , 70F
第八應該選得到Alec Burks
06/01 23:29, 70F

06/02 00:24, , 71F
這樣換的話,先發SG應該是Brewer,#8應該選個替補SF,例如像
06/02 00:24, 71F

06/02 00:24, , 72F
Kawhi Leonard, Chris Singleton或是Marcus Morris吧?
06/02 00:24, 72F

06/02 00:25, , 73F
我覺得第八選秀是要補火力的SG耶 Brewer火力沒好多少= =
06/02 00:25, 73F

06/02 00:25, , 74F
Brewer頂先發感覺還是很貧攻= =
06/02 00:25, 74F

06/02 01:06, , 75F
Bogans先發就好了阿==
06/02 01:06, 75F

06/02 01:11, , 76F
Brewer先發 !!
06/02 01:11, 76F

06/02 17:59, , 77F
Brewer先發 !!
06/02 17:59, 77F

06/02 19:00, , 78F
借轉活塞版 :D
06/02 19:00, 78F

12/10 13:30, 5年前 , 79F
應該還會再加CJ Wa https://noxiv.com
12/10 13:30, 79F

04/19 03:29, 5年前 , 80F
拜託不要 回來的話感 https://moxox.com
04/19 03:29, 80F
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