[新聞] C's提給黃蜂的交易提案

看板Celtics作者 (The Truth)時間8年前 (2015/07/30 00:36), 編輯推噓12(12024)
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新聞出處(必填): http://goo.gl/D9qDtc 作者: Zach Lowe 內文超長,有興趣自已看吧 節錄重點.. In the days before the draft, Charlotte peddled that no. 9 pick and Vonleh to some of the teams ahead of it — an attempt to vault into star range. The Hornets found no takers before ultimately giving up and sending Vonleh to Portland for Nicolas Batum the day before the draft. As the drama unfolded the next night, Boston put Charlotte on the other end of a quantity-for-quality pitch. The Celtics offered four first-round picks for the chance to move up from no. 16 to no. 9: that 16th pick, no. 15 (acquired in a prearranged contingency deal with the Hawks), one unprotected future Brooklyn pick, and a future first-rounder from either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves, per sources familiar with the talks. 選秀前幾天,黃蜂本來打算想把9號簽加上Vonleh向上交易,失敗後把後者送至拓荒者 而C's在選秀會上提出了拿16和15順位!!(會跟老鷹交易過來)再加上網隊的首輪,再加上 灰熊或是灰狼的首輪. (這真的是很誇張的提案...竟然還要去換15號簽@@) Some members of Charlotte’s front office liked the Boston deal, but Michael Jordan, the team’s owner and ultimate decision-maker, preferred Kaminsky to a pile of first-rounders outside the lottery, per several sources. 一些黃蜂的制服組被C's的提案打動了,但是最終被Jordan本人否決...他偏愛Kaminsky (現在回頭來看的話..是否該感謝Jordan的漂亮阻擋...) 再來是黃蜂制服組的解釋.. “You have two minutes to decide: ‘Do I want to do this trade?’” says Polk, one of five men atop Charlotte’s decision tree.2 “You don’t have a day. You don’t have hours. After all the intelligence we’d done, we were comfortable with Frank. But now you have two minutes to decide if you make this trade, who you’re gonna take at no. 16, or maybe no. 20, and we haven’ t been focusing on that range. In fantasy basketball, it sounds great: ‘Oh my god, they could have gotten all those picks.’ But in the real world, I’m not sure it makes us better.” Polk:" 你只有2分鐘可以決定,到底要不要接受. 沒有一整天甚至幾個小時的時間.所有 我們的準備都決定要選Kaminsky. 但是你現在就只有2分鐘 (很重要所以要多講幾次)去 決定到底你要在16順位或20順位選誰,而我們之前並沒有注意到這些順位.(最好是這麼混) 如果是玩Fantasy Basketball的話,當然很讚 :" 天呀! 可以得到這麼多選秀權",但在現 實世界,我不確定這樣可以讓我們更好" Adds Rich Cho, the team’s GM: “If it was such a no-brainer for us, why would another team want to do it?” Cho :" 如果這個提案有這麼讚的話,為什麼其它球隊不接受?" (放大絕) Polk argues drafting extra players might have cramped Charlotte’s roster space. “We didn’t have enough spots after picking up Spencer Hawes, Jeremy Lamb, and Batum,” Polk says. “Even if someone wants to give me first-round picks, what am I going to do with them?” Polk 再補充,因為補了Hawes、Jeremy Lamb 和Batum 球隊人數已經滿了 "就算有人 再給我多的首輪簽,我到底能拿它們做什麼呢? " (Ainge: 你知道我用多少球員才換到這些簽嗎...) 再往下就是分析黃蜂的陣容、未來、過去的選秀..管理層 等等..自行看原文吧 ============================================================================== 感想就是黃蜂的制服組...目前的操作比較偏保守的 或許他們在選秀上失利太多次了,以致於被Ainge視為至寶的選秀權對黃蜂的吸引力小很多 無論MKG或是Zeller這種潛力股都還沒發揮出期待的實力,Kamisky這種完成度較高而且 失敗率低很多的球員,反而是他們的首選. 還有決定權完全是在MJ手上,不像C's交給GM(Ainge)來下決定(沒聽過老闆有下過指導棋) 另外和非人講的一樣,他們真的沒準備中後段的選秀...Ainge大概也無言吧. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 122.116.9.135 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Celtics/M.1438187773.A.1C8.html

07/30 00:48, , 1F
能跟老鷹換到15的話…所以原本我們能搶oubre?
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07/30 00:48, , 2F
我本來以為四張首輪含籃網首輪是Ainge畫唬爛,沒想
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07/30 00:48, , 3F
到是真的...而且還搭配交易到今年15順位要給黃蜂?!
07/30 00:48, 3F

07/30 00:48, , 4F
只能說好險黃蜂沒答應...
07/30 00:48, 4F

07/30 00:50, , 5F
就得看Winslow到底是大物還是大誤了...
07/30 00:50, 5F

07/30 00:50, , 6F
黃蜂只能祝他們選對人~
07/30 00:50, 6F

07/30 00:56, , 7F
還好沒換呢
07/30 00:56, 7F

07/30 01:03, , 8F
嘛~這筆交易破局到底是好是壞,還要過幾年才能看出
07/30 01:03, 8F

07/30 01:03, , 9F
來就是了 目前的壞處就是我們被迫丟掉小PP
07/30 01:03, 9F

07/30 01:45, , 10F
不覺得Winslow有這價值...不過安吉這麼想要他的話
07/30 01:45, 10F

07/30 01:45, , 11F
沒跟其他更高順位的球隊談過交易嗎?
07/30 01:45, 11F

07/30 02:03, , 12F
有吧,除了前三順位以外安吉好像都談過
07/30 02:03, 12F

07/30 10:07, , 13F
整體而言 今年的陣容還是升級了
07/30 10:07, 13F

07/30 10:08, , 14F
真的未來交易不到大牌就算了 慢慢練選出來的球員
07/30 10:08, 14F

07/30 10:09, , 15F
而且離Rondo離開 也才半年左右 重建還有一段路要走
07/30 10:09, 15F

07/30 10:10, , 16F
今年就看能不能用Lee去找人交易吧 再換點簽或是球星
07/30 10:10, 16F

07/30 10:52, , 17F
這兩年到期約的作用變小很多 連Haywood這種省錢的合
07/30 10:52, 17F

07/30 10:52, , 18F
約還要貼籤才能賣掉 感覺除非季中有人受傷,否則Davi
07/30 10:52, 18F

07/30 10:52, , 19F
d Lee很難交易
07/30 10:52, 19F

07/30 11:08, , 20F
但是G蛙都能賣掉了
07/30 11:08, 20F

07/30 12:45, , 21F
我也只是說說啦 G蛙成功出售,但Bass卻也待到約滿走
07/30 12:45, 21F

07/30 12:45, , 22F
人呀 本來以為Haywood那種大張不保障約應該超好賣,
07/30 12:45, 22F

07/30 12:45, , 23F
結果最後還要貼籤才能甩掉 感覺明年薪資暴漲真的讓
07/30 12:45, 23F

07/30 12:45, , 24F
到期約價值下降不少
07/30 12:45, 24F

07/30 15:34, , 25F
幸好沒成功,值得慶幸的是G蛙掰了
07/30 15:34, 25F

07/31 21:43, , 26F
Haywood的交易不是貼籤甩掉,它是重點是丟MM的合約
07/31 21:43, 26F

07/31 21:43, , 27F
然後把Haywood這個人肉TE變成真的TE..代價2個2輪
07/31 21:43, 27F

07/31 21:45, , 28F
不過到期約的價值在這種時期真的是最低點..
07/31 21:45, 28F

07/31 21:46, , 29F
所幸Lee、Amir、JJ都不是單純的到期約,都具有戰力
07/31 21:46, 29F

07/31 21:47, , 30F
總之Ainge的後續操作就是保留資產,等待下一次梭哈
07/31 21:47, 30F

07/31 21:47, , 31F
的機會..
07/31 21:47, 31F

08/01 12:46, , 32F
沒想到G蛙去七六人了
08/01 12:46, 32F

08/01 12:57, , 33F
勇士在為Speights明年可能要求大約做準備
08/01 12:57, 33F

08/01 12:58, , 34F
真是步好棋
08/01 12:58, 34F

08/01 14:14, , 35F
勇士居然能用G蛙換到Jason Thompson...
08/01 14:14, 35F

08/01 22:28, , 36F
支持G蛙在76人打先發
08/01 22:28, 36F
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