Fw: [外絮] Omer Asik talks progressing

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※ [本文轉錄自 NBA 看板 #1Iheq1jP ] 作者: evomichael (大麥克) 看板: NBA 標題: [外絮] Omer Asik talks progressing 時間: Mon Dec 16 13:17:49 2013 消息來源: http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/779/omer-asik-talks-progressing Latest rumbles from the Omer Asik trade sweepstakes: There is no hard proof yet to support the theory -- first presented in this tweet from my USA Today colleague Sam Amick -- that the Houston Rockets already have a trade framework in place to solve their Asik conundrum and are only waiting to see if someone else out there steps up to beat the mystery offer between now and Houston’s self-imposed Thursday deadline to deal Asik. 消息指出火箭早就準備好多個交易Asik的計畫 現在只是在等等看哪隊的GM突然傻了拿一個好的包裹來換 However ... While strong rumbles persist that the Philadelphia 76ers are the team most likely to go along with such an arrangement, given the close ties between Rockets general manager Daryl Morey and Philly counterpart Sam Hinkie, there's fresh talk in circulation about another potential co-conspirator. 目前最有可能做出這個交易的是七六人 還有另一個可能性是塞爾提克 The Boston Celtics. The advice offered to us on Sunday was stern: Keep an eye on Boston. The Celtics possess two players in different salary ranges that would presumably fit in useful ways next to Dwight Howard: Jeff Green and Brandon Bass. The Celts also have a spare first-round draft pick or two to plug into any trade equation to sweeten the deal for Houston, amid rising suspicions around the league that Morey’s Rockets are going to find a way to come out of the Asik saga with at least one future first. 由於Morey希望在這個交易中至少撈到一個未來的首輪簽 而老賽則剛好有一兩個可以換得首輪簽 拿Asik<--->J.Green(or B.Bass)+1~2個首輪籤是有可能發生的 The same Rockets who happen to have a GM (Morey) and coach (Kevin McHale) who have long-standing relationships with Celts president Danny Ainge. So, yes, I’d say you should keep an eye on Boston. Question here that must be asked loudly: Can Houston, in whichever Asik trade it ultimately chooses, really afford to take back a player possessing substantial long-term money like Green (two seasons at $18.4 million after this one) or Philly's Thaddeus Young (two seasons at $19.4 million after this one) when it knows it's going to have to give an extension bump to Chandler Parsons as soon as Parsons is eligible for the raise his play merits via extension? 然而現在還有另一個問題 就是在火箭吃下J.Green(後兩年共18.4M)或T.Young(後兩年共19.4M)的合約後 還有續簽Parson的空間和可能性嗎 Which is another way of saying you shouldn't be surprised if Young gets routed to a third team should the Rockets and Sixers officially join forces to construct an Asik deal, as some observers have been expecting all month. 所以傳出另一種交易可能就是找第三隊收下Young的合約 The latest signals out of Cleveland indicate that the Cavaliers like the thought of keeping Anderson Varejao better than the prospect of trading him for Asik. The Cavs haven't ruled themselves out of participating in the forthcoming Asik trade, sources say, but word is they'd prefer to join in as a third-team facilitator that helps Asik land in a different city. 前一陣子原本有傳出A.Varejao<-->O.Asik 但是現在騎士的態度是傾向不直接換Asik來 而是在三方交易中當第三隊收下Young或其他球員 ESPN.com reported Friday that the Rockets, for the record, would not be willing to do an Asik-for-Varejao trade straight up regardless. 簡單來說就是騎士不想收Asik但不排斥把Varejao丟掉 As stated Friday morning in our most recent Asik post, trying to gauge Atlanta's true willingness to part with the floor-stretching Paul Millsap -- whom Houston naturally covets in this situation -- is a major challenge thanks to ever-coy Hawks GM Danny Ferry. Yet more than one longtime Ferry-watcher is convinced that what he's trying do in Atlanta is amass a collection of Millsaps (translation: coveted trade pieces) so he has enough of them to jump right into the heart of the bidding when the next NBA superstar becomes available via trade like we saw in February 2011, when Carmelo Anthony and Deron Williams were traded on back-to-back days before the deadline. The Ferry-led Hawks are way too coy to be completely ruled out of contention for Asik. But it appears, heading into the final few days of the Asik sweepstakes, that Atlanta prefers to wait for a bigger prize ... even though acquiring an elite rim protector like Asik would allow Al Horford to move to his preferred position of power forward. It was Dec. 6 when ESPN.com reported that the Rockets began telling teams that they were determined to trade Asik between Dec. 15 and Dec. 19, which would ensure that any player involved in the transaction could be re-packaged by his new team in a subsequent trade before the league's Feb. 20 trade deadline passes. Some 10 days into this exercise, numerous teams involved and on the periphery of the talks have indicated that they indeed expect the Rockets to take this all the way to Thursday to give themselves as much time as possible to find the best deal. Jonathan Feigen, longtime Rockets beat writer from the Houston Chronicle, quoted a "person with knowledge of the Rockets' thinking" earlier Sunday saying that the Dec. 19 deadline was set in part because Morey indeed already has an offer he knows he's willing to take. The source told Feigen: "It very likely will be a pretty complicated, three-way deal. There are a lot of moving parts." 上面那幾段在講跟老鷹討論Millsap的交易的可能還有一些交易時間點的問題 Feigen also reported Sunday that Sixers center Spencer Hawes, with a far friendlier contract than Young's to use in a future move, as well as the ability to back up Howard at center if Houston keeps him, could well appeal to the Rockets more than Young does. 同時也有種可能是七六人會送出S.Hawes去火箭擔任DH的替補 ----------------------------------------------------------- 所以歸納一下 目前有可能的交易方式是 火箭 七六人 騎士 (老賽) 送出 Asik Young or Hawes 米粉頭 (Green or Bass+首輪籤) 收入 米粉頭+首輪籤 Asik Young (Hawes+首輪籤) (Green or Bass) ------------------------------------------------------------------- 轉個文 讓大家笑一下 安吉有可能被搶? -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 59.115.16.237 ※ 編輯: st900278 來自: 140.114.202.122 (12/16 14:46)

12/16 14:47, , 1F
當笑話看看就好順便看看一些某迷在妄想
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這交易太誇張 火箭送一兩個首輪 + Asik 或許還可以考慮 ※ 編輯: st900278 來自: 140.114.202.122 (12/16 14:48)

12/16 14:49, , 2F
沒把GW丟走之前,不會挖這麼大坑給自己跳的
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拿bass換的話應該還可以再加上二輪我覺得也划算
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12/16 14:50, , 4F
至於GREEN的話,讓火箭不要想了!
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12/16 14:51, , 5F
現在大家都知道是阿喜想離開火箭有啥立場想搶人呵呵
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連球迷也跟著莫雷化也真的蠻好笑的整天想搶劫想瘋了
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12/16 14:56, , 7F
這個新聞毫無根據,只是提個新說法而已
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12/16 14:57, , 8F
敲誇張的:"火箭想要首輪簽,Bos剛好有薪資吻合的人
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12/16 14:59, , 9F
而且可以適合輔助DH,你最好多注意Bos"
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12/16 15:00, , 10F
餵你餵到清一色平胡還要放槍給你爽就是了
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12/16 15:04, , 11F
火箭版竟然有人提Lin+CP for AB+Green,我差點忍不住
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12/16 15:04, , 12F
噓下去鬧版
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12/16 15:07, , 13F
火迷各各都莫雷啊虎撲還有火迷要林阿喜換RONDO跟SULL
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12/16 15:07, , 14F
爾且好笑的事還真的有火迷覺得合理還說SULLY背傷說不
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12/16 15:08, , 15F
定是火箭虧真夠好笑的真的當29隊都是火箭後花園啦
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阿西換BASS+LEE
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看對岸有凱迷說火箭出林阿喜14首輪尼克出阿罵香坡
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12/16 15:12, , 18F
說真的我不認為BOS多需要阿西
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12/16 15:12, , 19F
BOS出G挖LEE跟翰佛瑞3方交易火箭阿罵LEE尼克得G挖+林
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12/16 15:13, , 20F
+和佛瑞BOS得香坡阿喜14首輪照火迷想法這樣也合理啊X
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12/16 15:16, , 21F
虎撲的東西看看就好...沒啥好認真的
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12/16 15:17, , 22F
如果雙方主菜是G蛙←→阿西,要補什麼我想是能考慮的
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12/16 15:18, , 23F
拿hump單換我倒是接受,但不需要動選秀籤,頂多加李
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12/16 15:19, , 24F
我沒查薪資,但重點是波士頓不是很缺長人
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12/16 15:20, , 25F
謀口林,12m拿到期約去幫火箭解套,是有沒這麼好心
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12/16 15:20, , 26F
虎撲我都當笑話在看的啊
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12/16 15:21, , 27F
其實有缺,凱莉跟砂礫都是勉強在打C,靠拼勁在扛的
12/16 15:21, 27F

12/16 15:21, , 28F
可是現在是火箭在跳腳,安吉不拿點東西回來不太可能
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12/16 15:23, , 29F
如果是希伯等級就是一回事
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12/16 15:24, , 30F
火箭無痛搶到DH後大概得意忘形了
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12/16 15:26, , 31F
光明年Asik要實付15M,莫雷就沒有資格去搶人了
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12/16 15:44, , 32F
凱莉嫩 莎莉矮 兩個又小傷小痛,不認為是C的好選擇
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12/16 15:45, , 33F
Asik換得到,我覺得是好事
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12/16 15:47, , 34F
我們缺C啊 但也還沒缺到要被Morey搶
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12/16 15:49, , 35F
討厭Asik的奶油手...完全不想換他
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12/16 15:59, , 36F
倒也不用這麼說,RR會想辦法把球塞到他手上
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12/16 15:59, , 37F
抹膠水之類的
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12/16 16:02, , 38F
Asik來阿豆籃板助攻會一起下降XD
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12/16 16:09, , 39F
Green...瘋了嗎
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12/16 17:19, , 40F
我倒很樂觀,安吉如果真的想重建就這樣幹吧(誤)
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12/16 17:54, , 41F
這是釣魚文嗎?
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真扯......
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12/16 18:08, , 43F
不可能丟選秀簽..
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12/16 18:15, , 44F
就單純一個記者在YY阿
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12/16 18:24, , 45F
可悲...終身的綠血人就這樣被賣了
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12/16 18:25, , 46F
更好笑的 這種不到4成5的可悲戰績 也能東區前4
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12/16 18:26, , 47F
波士頓如果掛pp的球衣那就更好笑了
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12/16 18:26, , 48F
一邊莫名地把人賣了 一邊掛球衣
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12/16 18:26, , 49F
如果我是pp 我就拒絕掛球衣! 不過現在看起來 能
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12/16 18:27, , 50F
不能掛球衣都還是是個問題
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12/16 18:28, , 51F
樓上迷路了嗎?
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12/16 18:32, , 52F
某樓要丟臉不用特地來好嗎XDDD
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12/16 18:37, , 53F
影迷素質不意外老愛找2老麻煩籃網隊版最近也有被鬧
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12/16 18:40, , 54F
幹嘛幫火箭清爛約XD
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12/16 18:47, , 55F
阿不就好棒棒
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12/16 18:54, , 56F
看來是迷路了,然後沒人跟他吵 他因該很空虛
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12/16 18:57, , 57F
要Asik做跟Love一樣 用手指做伏力挺身,增加手指力量
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12/16 18:59, , 58F
不知道 來不來得即
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12/16 20:11, , 59F
結果手指受傷
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12/16 20:14, , 60F
Asik幾乎都在傷停加擺工...我不相信Ainge會被搶
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12/16 20:16, , 61F
Ainge是那種慢慢磨到二邊價碼接近的人..
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12/16 20:16, , 62F
丟Green也是非常不合理,丟Bass還有可能
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12/16 20:20, , 63F
以火箭的立場不貼簽過來根本沒有交易的必要性
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12/16 20:29, , 64F
我覺得火箭的立場很難講,無論Asik是不想打
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火箭還有parsons要養..沒必要 給/要green
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12/16 20:30, , 66F
只是asik以正統中鋒而言是很不錯的
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還是教練不給上場,總之留著對球隊效益不高
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12/16 20:33, , 68F
這種情況下火箭不值得留著去付明年的15M合約
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此外火箭本來就打算交易二次,所以第一次只要求脫手
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12/16 20:34, , 70F
他目標是在交易大限前再打包買到自已要的球員
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12/16 21:00, , 71F
看Faverani能不能有10%機會養成Pekovic那樣
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12/16 21:01, , 72F
目前看似不可能,但是Peko也是第二年才站穩輪替陣容
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5%都沒有吧= =
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fav多養一點吧...畢竟歐洲跟NBA節奏還是不同
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15M應該沒有人想接手吧 不如問Hump要不要便宜續簽還
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比較實在
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真的 我還比較想要留憨佛
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12/16 23:14, , 78F
hump我還好...有sully+kelly了
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12/16 23:15, , 79F
遇到強中鋒還是死很慘,好歹也找個高點的柱子來擋路
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Faverani:高柱?? 我聽到有人在說我?
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12/17 00:51, , 81F
Fav連擋路都有點問題阿...BBB然後就下場了
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12/17 00:56, , 82F
用小綠+首輪籤換...頭殼換掉嗎
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12/17 06:39, , 83F
fav第一年打nba是要他打多好zz
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12/17 06:41, , 84F
peko第一年平均上13.6分鐘 5.5分3板 2.8次犯規
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Fav平均15分鐘 5.1分4.2板 2.3次犯規
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