[外電] 3-on-3: Ray Allen

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新聞出處(必填):http://celticshub.com/2011/12/02/3-on-3-ray-allen/ 作者:Hayes Davenport Ray Allen is the greatest long-range shooter of all-time, and yet he’s universally understood to be number three in the Big Three org chart. He’s the oldest, the slowest, and the shakiest on defense, but also arguably the most reliable of the bunch: Ray’s sat a total of seven games over the last three seasons, and his shooting stats have barely wavered since he arrived in Boston. As he enters his walk year, it’s time to start asking how much more the Celtics can ask of Ray Allen, who might be aging better than any guard in the NBA before him. Ray Allen一直是最偉大的遠距離射手,可他一直被認定為三巨頭的老三。 他是三巨頭當中年紀最老,速度最慢,防守最不穩定的一個,但卻也是最可靠的一個. 過去三年他只缺席過7場比賽,而且他的投籃數據自從來到Boston後幾乎沒有退步過 當他進入了職業生涯後期,是該問問Celtics,還要要求這位現役中最好的老將做些什麼了 1. Ray is 36 years old. How much longer will he play in the NBA? Ryan DeGama: Until the next labor dispute? No reason to think Allen can’t make it through six more years considering he set career highs in FG% and 3P% last season and his primary offensive responsibilities are now run, catch and release. Like Paul Pierce, Allen’s proving a role model on how to age gracefully in the NBA. They’re going to write books about him. Or blog posts, at least. Brendan Jackson: At least to 40. His days of being a starting shooting guard are already numbered, but his ability on the offensive end was still as high as ever last season. When I say “ability,” I mean two things: spot up shooting and running his defender off picks. The value of Allen’s ability to tire out his opponent cannot be understated. I’m excited to see his role eventually change to perennial Sixth Man of the Year. Brian Robb: At least three more seasons. Allen is a specimen who takes great pride in maintaining his body. He also is still putting up the best shooting numbers of his career, to help counter other areas of the game that have suffered with his advanced age. With that said, there will always be a market for pure outside shooting in this league, and despite a track record of 35 year-old shooting guards showing sharp declines in their shooting numbers, Allen is the clear exception to that rule. I give him three more seasons, and I wouldn’t be surprised even if he makes it past that. 1. Ray已經36歲了,他還能在NBA打多久? Ryan DeGama: 打到下一次勞資糾紛?考慮到上季Allen刷新了職業生涯的投籃和三分命中率,沒有理由不 相信他還能再打6個賽季,現在Allen的打法就是跑位,接球,出手.跟Paul Pierce一樣,Allen 詮釋了一個老將如何在NBA優雅的打球,他們可能會寫一本關於他的書. Brendan Jackson: 至少能到40歲.或許身為得分後衛他將離開先發位置的日子不遠了,但他依舊能在進攻端保 持跟上個賽季一樣高效率的能力.我所說的"能力"包含兩個意思:定點跳投和透過跑動擺脫 他的防守者,Allen可以擺脫防守者的價值,這個能力不能被低估.我很興奮能看到Allen改變 角色,成為最佳第六人的那天. Brian Robb: 至少能再打三個賽季,Allen應該對身體的保養這件事感到自豪,他依然能保持職業生涯最佳 的投籃,來彌補年齡所帶給他其他部分的退化.外線射手在聯盟裡總能找到市場,儘管35歲的 得分後衛很難維持他們的出手數,但Allen顯然是個意外,我給他至少三年的時間,而且就算 超過三年我也絕不會驚訝. 2. At this point in his career, do Ray’s offensive contributions outweigh his defensive shortcomings? Ryan DeGama: Yes. Now the caveat: We all know what Ray’s shooting does to open up the floor, but his lack of shot-creating ability is increasingly a concern in Boston’s middling offense. The caveat to that caveat is that his defense is better than advertised; you can still trust his intensity defending guys like Wade and Kobe in the playoffs. Brendan Jackson: For sure. I am just not sure how long those defensive shortcomings can remain in the starting lineup. At the same time, Allen’s defensive shortcomings are overstated. To be fair, everyone looks terrible guarding Dwyane Wade. Brian Robb: Yes. Again, while Allen struggles with a lot more of the athletic players in the NBA, he still works hard most nights on the defensive end and does well within Boston’s defensive philosophy given his limitations. Sure, he’ll look bad on occasion, but the C’s still ranked near the top of the league in defensive efficiency last year and Allen was on the floor for a lot of those minutes. On the other side, the C’s have struggled to put the ball in the basket the last few seasons, making Allen an even more valuable commodity to them given their lack of reliable outside shooters. The C’s have to hope this trend continues this year. 2.在他職業生涯的這一刻,他的進攻貢獻能大於他的防守上的缺陷嗎? Ryan DeGama: 是的,我提醒一下.我們都知道Ray的投籃很準,但是缺少創造進攻機會這件事將會是Celtics 越來越嚴重的問題,Allen的防守沒有傳說中的那麼糟糕,你仍然可以相信他在季後賽能夠 防守像是Kobe或是Wade這些球員. Brendan Jackson: 當然,我現在只是不知道他的防守劣勢將在什麼時候影響到他的先發位置,但是他的防守 缺點被誇大了,說句公道話:大家都很難守住Dwyane Wade Brian Robb: 是的,再強調一次,在眾多的球員當中,他是一個很認真防守和融入球隊防守體系的球員. 當然,他的防守有時候很糟糕,但是Celtics上季的防守效率依然是名列前茅,而大部分的 時間Allen都在場上.另一方面,Celtics在過去幾個賽季都為得分這件事感到掙扎.而Allen 對他們而言是最可靠的外線,C's希望這種良好趨勢可以繼續下去 3. Assuming he doesn’t decline much from last year, what kind of contract would you give Ray to resign with the Celtics after this season? Ryan DeGama: Something along the lines of 2 years for $12M (total) sounds about right, but that might not be enough to lure him back, assuming there’s even a fit in Boston. He’ll have plenty of suitors and the Celtics may go a different direction at the shooting guard and 6th man spots in the rebuild. Which makes this a good place to drop in an arbitrary Flo Allen reference. Enjoy her and Ray while you can. This could be their last go-round in Boston. Brendan Jackson: If Allen is going to sign with the Celtics again, he’s going to do so with the understanding that the majority of the cap room is going to the best player available. Whatever is left over will be allocated appropriately. Right now, it’s too hard to gauge Allen’s worth because it will fluctuate depending on who the Celtics’ main target is. Brian Robb: Probably the toughest question Ainge is facing at this point. In order to be able to add a major free agent after next season, Ainge will likely have to renounce both Garnett and Allen in order to have the cap flexibility to a big name such as Dwight Howard. The other real way of doing that, and also signing Allen would be for Ray to take a major discount, far below what he could get on the open market. If Ainge comes up empty on big free agency names, I see no problem with giving Ray another two-year deal (second year as option) for mid-level money (5-6 million), as long as his shooting numbers don’t drop too much. Both sides are clearly comfortable with each other, and might as well keep things going while they can, instead of bringing in younger but inferior talent 3.如果本賽季Ray的表現比起上賽季沒有太大的下降,明年安吉會給Ray多大的合同? Ryan DeGama: 應該依然是兩年1200萬的合約,不過如果有更好的地方可以去,這不一定能吸引Ray留下來. 應該會有很多球隊對Allen感興趣,而且Celtics可能會在重建時考慮其他的得分後衛或是 第六人.考慮到這可能是對Ray最好的選擇,盡情的享受本賽季Ray的表現吧,因為這很有可能 是Ray在Celtics的最後一年. Brendan Jackson: 如果Allen還打算跟Celtics續約的話,他必須了解Celtics會將薪資空間留給更好的球員, 剩餘的薪資空間一定會很僅剩的去分配,現在很難評估Allen帶給Celtics的價值,因為那要 看下個賽季的Celtics主要目標是什麼 Brian Robb: 這點上可能是安吉要面對最棘手的一個問題,為了能夠在下個賽季有足夠的薪資空間簽下 一個如同魔獸等級的球星,安吉可能會放棄跟KG和Ray續約,還有一種可能是用一個大折扣 簽下Ray,但這一定會低於Allen的市場價值,但如果安吉在自由球員市場上一無所獲,那麼 我看不出Ray有什麼問題會拿不到一個為期兩年的合同(第二年可以選擇跳出合同) 中產500~600萬 只要他的投籃能力沒有大幅度的下降,雙方都清楚彼此的需求,不如就讓 這種合作繼續下去,好過引進一個遜色的年輕人. -- 籃球真的是打了才知道 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 120.96.54.235 ※ 編輯: auron4041 來自: 120.96.54.235 (12/05 16:36)

12/05 16:44, , 1F
還有一篇Rondo的也順便吧......XD
12/05 16:44, 1F
其實hoopchina都有人在翻...我有看到就自己對照一下翻一篇過來... 不知道這樣算不算抄襲就是了(汗 ※ 編輯: auron4041 來自: 120.96.54.113 (12/05 16:54)

12/05 17:23, , 2F
不知道Ray會不會繼續留著...連現在都覺得可能會當交
12/05 17:23, 2F

12/05 17:24, , 3F
易的配菜...每年都要來一下...真煩(嘆)
12/05 17:24, 3F

12/05 17:39, , 4F
Allen不要走阿><
12/05 17:39, 4F

12/05 17:47, , 5F
推一個 總世好"雷"
12/05 17:47, 5F

12/05 18:53, , 6F
看到三年來只缺席7場就好感動 一堆年輕肉體都不一定
12/05 18:53, 6F

12/05 19:03, , 7F
推y
12/05 19:03, 7F

12/05 19:12, , 8F
RAY~~~
12/05 19:12, 8F

12/05 19:16, , 9F
Ray的防守沒這麼差吧-.-...
12/05 19:16, 9F

12/05 19:18, , 10F
老實說我沒擔心過雷槍的防守過.....
12/05 19:18, 10F

12/05 19:33, , 11F
來到C's改變打法加上不斷鍛鍊體力~可以打很久的啦~
12/05 19:33, 11F

12/05 19:39, , 12F
ray的防守真的不差 雖然不是什麼kobe/wade stopper
12/05 19:39, 12F

12/05 19:41, , 13F
但他的小腿腫起來的地方絕對不是擺好看的XDDDD
12/05 19:41, 13F

12/05 19:42, , 14F
拜託,Ray的防守明明超強........
12/05 19:42, 14F

12/05 19:42, , 15F
而且Ray還是三巨頭中狀態保持最好的
12/05 19:42, 15F

12/05 19:42, , 16F
但也因為有價值,常常被當交易的乳摸.......
12/05 19:42, 16F

12/05 19:43, , 17F
相對於KG, Rondo, TA而言 Ray的防守是沒那麼出色 XD
12/05 19:43, 17F

12/05 19:46, , 18F
但RAY的防守在還沒加入超賽之前 真的算還好 哈哈
12/05 19:46, 18F

12/05 20:01, , 19F
得分後衛基本上都是重攻輕守的 要找到個防守好的也..
12/05 20:01, 19F

12/05 20:02, , 20F
好吧 TA是例外 重守輕攻...kobe也是後面才練起來的
12/05 20:02, 20F

12/05 20:03, , 21F
會說Ray防守差 主要還是他在進攻這方面比防守好
12/05 20:03, 21F

12/05 21:19, , 22F
Ray去哪我就去哪...
12/05 21:19, 22F

12/05 22:21, , 23F
Miller打到39歲,我想Allen應該也可以
12/05 22:21, 23F

12/05 22:35, , 24F
速度有最慢嗎= =
12/05 22:35, 24F

12/05 23:32, , 25F
進攻比防守好+1 老賽跑位王XDD
12/05 23:32, 25F

12/05 23:59, , 26F
Ray的防守站位明明就很不錯!
12/05 23:59, 26F

12/06 01:57, , 27F
主要三老頭都曾經是球隊核心 基石球員 現在因為年齡
12/06 01:57, 27F

12/06 01:59, , 28F
漸演變成輔助性 功能性 經驗傳承的角色 當然球隊要有
12/06 01:59, 28F

12/06 02:01, , 29F
新的核心。至此老將無可避免要降低薪資 讓球隊有空間
12/06 02:01, 29F

12/06 02:02, , 30F
去簽下有實力的核心。(得看Ray與KG的意願 強求不了
12/06 02:02, 30F

12/06 02:04, , 31F
即便作為老將或未來的板凳球員 也足以贏過一票年輕人
12/06 02:04, 31F

12/06 02:05, , 32F
就像老鯊 要不是那腳傷,他10分鐘或單節效率奪高阿
12/06 02:05, 32F

12/06 02:05, , 33F
根本連退都還不用退。
12/06 02:05, 33F

12/06 02:11, , 34F
RR那篇的重點是星座分析...
12/06 02:11, 34F

12/06 10:14, , 35F
三巨頭他跑最快吧= =
12/06 10:14, 35F

12/06 12:28, , 36F
看到雙魚座我噴茶了
12/06 12:28, 36F

12/07 00:23, , 37F
湖人迷幫推...Allen防守真的好
12/07 00:23, 37F
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