[情報] 美國大學開始用錢和大聯盟搶新秀

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在NCAA開放球員NIL（姓名、形象、肖像權）營利後 也對大聯盟選秀造成了影響 MLB teams now face new competition for talent: college programs awash with money https://reurl.cc/WA1DRL 開頭以今年決定跳過大聯盟選秀的頂尖高卒投手William Schmidt為例 On Day 1 of the 2024 MLB Draft, William Schmidt’s inner circle readied for a sm all gathering to celebrate what seemed inevitable. A right-handed pitcher out of Catholic High in Baton Rouge, La., Schmidt was a first-round pick waiting to ha ppen. 有參加選秀的話，預計是首輪貨 Before family and friends could buckle their seatbelts on their way to the Schmi dt household, the news broke: Schmidt would bypass the MLB draft, and stay commi tted to LSU. 但最後他仍依約去讀LSU Message boards were quick to credit the name, image and likeness (NIL) era of co llege sports, in which players are paid by school boosters through third-party c ollectives, as a major reason why Schmidt honored his college commitment. NIL的興起，被認為是他會選擇去念大學的原因 To Johnson, it wasn’t out of the question that Schmidt could have still landed at LSU in the pre-NIL era, à la Gerrit Cole and Mark Prior, who also went to co llege despite being drafted in the first round out of high school. Regardless, t here is one distinct difference between those cases and this one: Schmidt can, a nd will, make a lot of money while living out his childhood dream. 當然在以前沒有NIL的時代 還是有可能會放棄第一輪去上大學(例如扣哥) 但William Schmidt跟這些前輩不一樣的地方是 在這同時還是賺不少錢 An SEC recruiting coordinator estimates that Schmidt will make seven figures by the time he is draft-eligible again in three years. If the past three years serv e as any indication, he won’t be the only one — and the ramifications of that new reality are now trickling up, and impacting the draft boards of MLB teams. 預計在他下次選秀前，一樣能透過NIL收到七位數字的收入 NIL has grown exponentially since its advent. Consider LSU baseball in 2023, the year the Tigers won the national championship. According to a person familiar w ith the program’s finances, the baseball NIL budget that season was about $1 mi llion. NIL的錢錢也是隨時間越來越多 Eventual No. 1 overall pick Paul Skenes, an immediate-impact pitching transfer f rom Air Force at the time, received around $250,000, the source said, to play fo r LSU. 以 Paul Skenes為例，當初他一開始是念美國空軍學院 LSU是付了他25萬美金，請他轉學過來 而在兩年後，今年天使第三輪選進的左投Ryan Prager 最後他選擇不簽，回去德州農工大學念大三 Ryan Prager, a southpaw ace at Texas A&M, returned for his junior season after h e did not sign as the Los Angeles Angels’ third-round pick in the 2024 MLB Draf t. Per a source, Prager’s NIL earnings will be about $500,000, double what Sken es earned just two years ago. 根據情報指出，他因此透過和學校的NIL的合約收到50萬鎂 是Skenes的兩倍 註:當時的報導是寫遠大於50萬 https://reurl.cc/L5MNbK It’s worth noting that Texas A&M is considered one of the most lucrative school s for NIL deals, and it’s possible that could have played a role in this negoti ation. Rodgers reported Prager’s NIL deal with Texas A&M is “well north of $50 0,000.” For elite talent, the NIL bonanza has in some cases made the college ranks a mor e lucrative destination than pro baseball. 對於這些頂級新秀來說，NIL使得大學在某些情況下 成為比直接進職棒更有利可圖的地方 Drafting players used to be more straightforward for MLB teams. A potential sign ing bonus was discussed with a player’s advisor beforehand. 過去對於MLB球隊來說 選秀球員的過程相對單純得多 在選秀前，球隊會先去接觸想要選的球員 並洽談簽約金 If both parties agreed, the player was drafted and soon thereafter signed for an agreed-upon sum. If not, the team could pivot to negotiate with the next player on its board. 如果雙方談成，到時選秀就會選 並依照先前談好的價格簽約 More often than not, a general manager could be sure that a player’s ask would not change overnight. 畢竟球員應該不太可能突然提高報價 Thanks to NIL, that is no longer the case. 但現在有NIL就不一樣了 “Oftentimes, the NIL is fluid, and [college programs] can increase an offer and move the goalpost in effect and leave an MLB team with incomplete information a t the time of negotiation,” Flores said. “… 大學那邊會提高報價來搶 The kids now have a choice because it’s now more apples to apples rather than a pples to something that’s not close to apples.” 等於小球員是有選擇的 因為現在的進職棒 vs 讀大學 更像是蘋果對蘋果 而不是蘋果對一些根本不像蘋果的東西 MLB front offices are starting to feel the repercussions. Outside of the first r ound, for which the lowest slot value was $2,971,300 this past summer, SEC progr ams have the financial firepower to effectively outbid an MLB team even for an e arly-round pick. NCAA東南聯盟的學校現在有財力，即使是前段輪次的選手 都能開出超過大聯盟球隊的報價 “There’s 10 teams in our league, roughly, and I don’t want to speak for them or how they spend their money, but they have the financial means to quote-unquot e ‘buy a player out of the draft,’ through their NIL,” Georgia head coach Wes Johnson said. 喬治亞大學總教練Wes Johnson表示他們這聯盟的十間學校 都有能力透過NIL去從MLB選秀中留下球員 Texas A&M star outfielder Jace Laviolette, who turned 21 on Wednesday, wasn’t e ven eligible for the draft in July — players must be three years removed from h igh school or 21 years old — but according to an amateur scouting director in t he South, Laviolette may make up to $750,000 as a junior this school year. 像是德州農工大學的21歲外野手Jace Laviolette 預計在他大三這年最高能賺到75萬美金 With that being the kind of money available to top college talent, multiple year s’ worth of NIL could be comparable to a one-time professional signing bonus. 考慮到頂尖大學球員能獲得的這金額 多年下來的NIL收入 是可能和領一次的大聯盟簽約金競爭的 Prospects lost to college baseball are more likely to enter the draft ready to m ake good on their signing bonuses, albeit at the expense of MLB teams’ preferre d development plan. 而且這些跑去念大學的選手 之後投入選秀也更有可能拿到高額的簽約金 The 2023 MLB Draft featured a handful of top college players, including Skenes ( No. 1), LSU outfielder Dylan Crews (No. 2), Florida outfielder Wyatt Langford (N o. 4), Grand Canyon shortstop Jacob Wilson (No. 6), Wake Forest right-handed pit cher Rhett Lowder (No. 7) and Florida Atlantic first baseman Nolan Schanuel (No. 11), all of whom have already made their major-league debuts. 例如2023大聯盟選秀就一堆大學球員高順位 而且很多都已經早早登上大聯盟了 Paul Skenes Dylan Crews Wyatt Langford Jacob Wilson Rhett Lowder Nolan Schanuel For signing bonuses that ranged from Skenes’ $9.20 million to Schanuel’s $5.25 million, each team received a quick return on investment. 他們拿到525萬-920萬的高額簽約金 “Professional baseball organizations are relying on college baseball to develop their players at a rate higher than ever,” Jay Johnson said. 美職也越來越依賴大學 以比以往更快的速度養成球員 In accordance with House v. NCAA, a historic lawsuit settlement earlier this yea r that opened the door for schools to share revenue directly with athletes, coll ege baseball teams by 2025-26 will be allowed to offer up to 34 full scholarship s for the first time in the history of the sport. 除了NIL資金注入外 從2025-2026開始，一支NCAA棒球隊允許給到34份全額獎學金(原本只有11.7份) “We used to be able to offer a signing bonus and a scholarship, where colleges could only offer a limited scholarship. 以前大聯盟球隊能藉由簽約金+提供獎學金來說服球員 畢竟當時大學棒球只能拿到有限的獎學金 Now it’s definitely a more level playing field because they have NIL, they have more scholarships if they’re funding them and you just got to be able … to pr ove to them that they’re walking into a situation that’s going to make them be tter.” 但現在不一樣了，大學和大聯盟是處在平等的競爭環境 大學能透過NIL +獎學金留下球員 Three years ago, MLB decision-makers ruminated on NIL worst-case scenarios. 三年前大聯盟的決策者曾思考過NIL的最壞情況 Three years from now, no one knows for sure how it might evolve. But today, MLB executives and college coaches alike acknowledge that college baseball programs have been empowered to vie for some of the best young talent the sport has to of fer. 三年後也沒有人能確定它會如何發展 但如今大聯盟高層和大學教練都承認 大學棒球獲得爭搶好球員的能力 Opinions vary on whether such a reality is for better or worse. Regardless, it’ s here. 對於這樣是利是弊，意見不一 但無論如何它已經來臨 “We’ve hypothesized over these possibilities of this type of stuff, and now it ’s real,” Colahan said. “So we got to learn to live with that.” 我們曾經假設過這類事情的可能性，現在它變成了現實 所以我們必須學會與此共處 https://i.imgur.com/UhRx9ry.png
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12/07 10:39, 1年前 , 1F
職棒跟大學建教合作把大學當農場
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12/07 10:40, 1年前 , 2F
良性競爭 Z>B ?
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12/07 10:40, 1年前 , 3F
NCAA現在超有錢 連帶大學也有錢搶球員
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12/07 10:41, 1年前 , 4F
小鬍子的網紅女友就是nil的最大受益者之一阿
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12/07 10:42, 1年前 , 5F
大學先養好球員 職棒就不用養太久
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12/07 10:42, 1年前 , 6F
球員先去大學賺錢 就不用先蹲寒酸小聯盟
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12/07 10:42, 1年前 , 7F
雙贏（？
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12/07 10:43, 1年前 , 8F
蹲大學真的不錯
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12/07 10:43, 1年前 , 9F
大學畢業才簽還是要先去蹲寒酸小聯盟阿 大學畢業不等於即
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12/07 10:43, 1年前 , 10F
戰力
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12/07 10:44, 1年前 , 11F
這樣對國際球員算是有利吧
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12/07 10:45, 1年前 , 12F
差別是你去蹲小聯盟的時候口袋已經有點錢 比較不會拮据xd
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12/07 10:46, 1年前 , 13F
就是這個意思啊 職棒不用養太久 所以大學球員有錢又不
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12/07 10:46, 1年前 , 14F
用蹲太久
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12/07 10:49, 1年前 , 15F
看起來好像是雙贏
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12/07 10:50, 1年前 , 16F
他們大學現在還是打鋁棒嗎？
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12/07 10:50, 1年前 , 17F
雙贏阿 你在大學能賺錢練到更強 在小聯盟也不用待久
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12/07 10:51, 1年前 , 18F
球團也不用等太久就能用 這樣不是很爽嘛
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12/07 10:53, 1年前 , 19F
利多吧
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12/07 10:58, 1年前 , 20F
Z>B吧
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12/07 10:59, 1年前 , 21F
一樣 大學投的好自然可以去大聯盟，錢多還不用在小聯盟
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12/07 10:59, 1年前 , 22F
蹲
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12/07 11:02, 1年前 , 23F
有錢有學歷不用在小聯盟蹲很久 贏麻了
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12/07 11:04, 1年前 , 24F
在大學有練到東西小聯盟就可以縮短
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12/07 11:04, 1年前 , 25F
這樣1A2A會不會只剩下國際球員? 還是影響不大?XD
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12/07 11:05, 1年前 , 26F
大學畢業球員球技都比較成熟了，蹲小聯盟也不用蹲那
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12/07 11:05, 1年前 , 27F
麼久
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12/07 11:06, 1年前 , 28F
不會吧 能拿上百萬的高中生還是優先加入職棒
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12/07 11:06, 1年前 , 29F
頂尖的有差而已吧 一般人要去蹲小聯盟打怪練功
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12/07 11:06, 1年前 , 30F
拿到大學文憑，順便練球也不錯。
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12/07 11:07, 1年前 , 31F
NCAA本來錢就賺很飽，拿一些給學生不過份。
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12/07 11:08, 1年前 , 32F
小聯盟太苦了 大學養成也不差錢又多
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12/07 11:17, 1年前 , 33F
運科起來說不定大學養成更強
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12/07 11:17, 1年前 , 34F
這對棒球員應該很有魅力
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12/07 11:18, 1年前 , 35F
生活無虞又能打球又有學歷
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12/07 11:20, 1年前 , 36F
其實大學時期參加選秀的球員不一定有拿到文憑及大學學歷
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12/07 11:20, 1年前 , 37F
有學歷還是很重要的
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12/07 11:20, 1年前 , 38F
大聯盟針對大學生的選秀規定是年滿21或完成大三學業就可投
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12/07 11:20, 1年前 , 39F
入選秀
12/07 11:20, 39F
還有 23 則推文
還有 1 段內文
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12/07 12:12, 1年前 , 63F
不用像現在一樣，一堆小聯盟的球員都要兼差才能生活
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12/07 12:13, 1年前 , 64F
NCAA賺爛了
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12/07 12:13, 1年前 , 65F
不過這幾年多虧小聯盟改造計畫 小聯盟球員待遇有所改善
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12/07 12:13, 1年前 , 66F
但休賽季該兼差的可能還是要兼差
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12/07 12:15, 1年前 , 67F
雙贏啊 小聯盟不用蹲太久 也比較不用擔心經濟
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12/07 12:18, 1年前 , 68F
頂尖球員還是早點打職業比較好吧，早點FA，差一兩歲就
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12/07 12:18, 1年前 , 69F
差很多
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12/07 12:23, 1年前 , 70F
推好文
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12/07 12:31, 1年前 , 71F
美國大學養成能力不輸職業的
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12/07 12:31, 1年前 , 72F
又是中職日職FA要卡超久才有 MLB FA短的合理多
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12/07 12:38, 1年前 , 73F
對大聯盟不是更爽,首輪簽約金有上限阿
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12/07 12:54, 1年前 , 74F
看起來像好事
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12/07 13:04, 1年前 , 75F
大學養成能力不錯吧
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12/07 13:09, 1年前 , 76F
而且大學畢業後簽進來是直接從2A打
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12/07 13:23, 1年前 , 77F
不只外國人 現在連米國自己人都不想蹲小聯盟地獄了
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12/07 13:24, 1年前 , 78F
上大學養成再進職棒也許可以不用蹲那麼久(?)還有錢拿
12/07 13:24, 78F
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12/07 13:47, 1年前 , 79F
良性競爭吧 大學選手成熟度高 進職業也不會在小聯盟練太
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12/07 13:47, 1年前 , 80F
久
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12/07 14:10, 1年前 , 81F
這裡說的是前三輪甚至首輪的高中畢業新秀，能賺錢又不想在
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12/07 14:10, 1年前 , 82F
小聯盟蹲太久
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12/07 14:17, 1年前 , 83F
除非大學養成有問題，不然應該不太弊
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12/07 14:18, 1年前 , 84F
反正你之後再投入也是有簽約金，繼續念是多拿的
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12/07 14:32, 1年前 , 85F
對球員來說也是好事 有唸大學以後職棒不順 工作也方便
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12/07 14:44, 1年前 , 86F
Ncaa有多少隻啊
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12/07 14:56, 1年前 , 87F
這只對前幾輪的新秀有差 你選秀尾的根本沒影響
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12/07 15:07, 1年前 , 88F
真是三贏耶：學生球員、MLB、大學體系
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12/07 15:49, 1年前 , 89F
之前美國就有很多影視作品在嘲諷NCAA這些聯盟，明明自
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12/07 15:49, 1年前 , 90F
己靠學生運動賺飽飽，卻不準學生賺錢
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12/07 16:07, 1年前 , 91F
這個值得寫些運科研究論文
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12/07 16:21, 1年前 , 92F
大學畢業直上大聯盟不用蹲小聯盟的話，的確是賺爛了
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12/07 18:37, 1年前 , 93F
但也不是所有人還想繼續念書吧？
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12/07 19:00, 1年前 , 94F
大學畢業不可能直上mlb啦……最少都要蹲約一年屠殺milb，
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12/07 19:00, 1年前 , 95F
隔年才會上mlb
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※ 編輯: zxc906383 (1.162.47.102 臺灣), 12/07/2024 19:02:21
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12/07 19:52, 1年前 , 96F
聽起來還不錯啊 如果大學養成OK 幹嘛去小聯盟被糟蹋
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12/08 06:32, 1年前 , 97F
大學打完也不可能直升大聯盟阿 法官這種一輪貨也是蹲了三
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12/08 06:32, 1年前 , 98F
年小聯盟才被升上來
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12/08 06:33, 1年前 , 99F
jocabyu: 而且大學畢業後簽進來是直接從2A打
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12/08 06:34, 1年前 , 100F
沒這種事好麻 你要不要去查一下法官北極熊印度這些人當初
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12/08 06:34, 1年前 , 101F
從哪個層級開始打的
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