[情報] 法律專家對水原涉賭事件的看法

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https://tinyurl.com/ytvb6j47 (從reddit登入可免費觀看文章) LA Times訪問了幾位法律專家對水原涉賭事件的看法 The public so far has only a fragmented picture of the case. But more facts could emerge in coming days and weeks, legal experts said, as federal prosecutors try to make sense of competing claims about Ohtani’s money being used to pay down gambling debts with a suspected illegal bookmaker in California. One key question — but not the only one — is whether the Japanese slugger was, as his representatives claim, the victim of a “massive theft” by his interpreter and right-hand man, Ippei Mizuhara. 一個關鍵的問題是 到底大谷是不是像他律師宣稱的那樣 是被水原偷錢的受害者 Ifrah said high-paid athletes often have staff who handle their business and financial interests, and sometimes do fall victim to betrayal by those people. “We get a lot of calls about professional athletes being in some kind of financial mess because someone close to them accesses their accounts or uses some sort of authority to access their financial assets,” Ifrah said. Because of that, the first question he would be asking if he were a prosecutor on the case, he said, is what kind of access Mizuhara had to Ohtani ’s bank accounts. Ifrah said it would be hard to imagine Mizuhara siphoning millions from Ohtani in cash — which is what most illegal bookmakers deal in, if not crypto payments — without Ohtani or his financial managers knowing or agreeing to it. “You start to wonder, how was that a ‘massive theft’?” Ifrah said. “How did someone go and get cash from a bank account or liquidate one of your financial assets to get cash without you knowing?” 前聯邦檢察官 運彩法專家Jeff Ifrah表示 很難想像在沒有大谷或他的理專知情或同意下 水原還有辦法從大谷身上偷幾百萬現金 "你開始懷疑 這樣算大規模偷竊嗎? 誰有辦法在你不知情下從帳戶拿錢?" Daniel Wallach, a sports betting and gambling attorney in Florida, agreed that any disappearance of millions of dollars should have set off alarms for the people who manage Ohtani’s assets and should have been addressed long before the media started asking questions. “The biggest red flag of all is that this pronouncement that there has been this ‘massive theft’ only occurred in response to the media poking around — like it was Crisis Management 101 to shift the attention away from Ohtani, ” he said. Wallach said there are so many unanswered questions and contradictory explanations from Ohtani and Mizuhara at this point that, in addition to the federal investigation, MLB has no choice but to launch its own review — in part to make a decision as to whether Ohtani deserves to be sidelined. “This requires a full-on investigation because there’s so many inconsistencies and already deeply troubling facts,” he said. “MLB needs to get as much information about this as possible early on to make at least a preliminary assessment as to whether Ohtani should be placed on leave until the conclusion of an investigation.” 另一位賭博法專家Daniel Wallach同意當幾百萬消失時 管理大谷帳戶的人就該對此警覺 "最大問題是偷竊這說法是在回應媒體時才發生的 就像要幫大谷轉移注意力" 因為大谷和水原的說詞有太多前後矛盾之處 Wallach也督促MLB要盡早展開調查 至少要先確定大谷是否應該暫時停職調查 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 184.191.81.15 (美國) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Baseball/M.1711115733.A.7D7.html
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03/22 21:56, 1年前 , 1F
法律專家abc你呢
03/22 21:56, 1F
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03/22 21:56, 1年前 , 2F
法律專家也是谷黑
03/22 21:56, 2F
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03/22 21:57, 1年前 , 3F
abc不幫忙分析一下？
03/22 21:57, 3F
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03/22 21:57, 1年前 , 4F
這裡鍵盤法律專家就一堆了
03/22 21:57, 4F
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03/22 21:58, 1年前 , 5F
谷黑夠了哦
03/22 21:58, 5F
噓
03/22 21:58, 1年前 , 6F
肯定沒事兒
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03/22 21:58, 1年前 , 7F
專家?有問過國昌嗎
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03/22 21:59, 1年前 , 8F
abc不是美國律師嗎 有什麼想法嗎
03/22 21:59, 8F
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03/22 21:59, 1年前 , 9F
到底誰會相信水原可以偷走450萬美金？如果有相信的人，可
03/22 21:59, 9F
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03/22 21:59, 1年前 , 10F
以去檢查一下腦袋有沒有問題
03/22 21:59, 10F
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03/22 21:59, 1年前 , 11F
改說法這真的很劣勢，各種懷疑都很難反駁…
03/22 21:59, 11F
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03/22 22:00, 1年前 , 12F
美國谷黑 被我們鄉民記住了
03/22 22:00, 12F
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03/22 22:00, 1年前 , 13F
2024怎麼了...先禁賽吧...
03/22 22:00, 13F
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03/22 22:01, 1年前 , 14F
你各位刷卡超幾萬，銀行就關切了
03/22 22:01, 14F
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03/22 22:01, 1年前 , 15F
不必去查
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03/22 22:01, 1年前 , 16F
how to steal 就得要編造一大堆謊言了
03/22 22:01, 16F
噓
03/22 22:02, 1年前 , 17F
這些美國谷黑有我們台灣鍵盤谷咪更懂法律嗎？下去！
03/22 22:02, 17F
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03/22 22:02, 1年前 , 18F
就不要最後查出來水原真的有自己拿錢
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03/22 22:02, 1年前 , 19F
要輕易動到這麼多錢本來就很奇怪
03/22 22:02, 19F
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03/22 22:02, 1年前 , 20F
就是這說法才能讓大谷無事
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03/22 22:03, 1年前 , 21F
單筆轉50萬美金出去 不信銀行不關切
03/22 22:03, 21F
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03/22 22:03, 1年前 , 22F
是一次450？還是分好幾次450？
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03/22 22:03, 1年前 , 23F
這邊也能上鉤..XD
03/22 22:03, 23F
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03/22 22:03, 1年前 , 24F
如果大谷有開一個帳戶讓水原幫忙付房租之類的 裡面放個
03/22 22:03, 24F
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03/22 22:04, 1年前 , 25F
而且銀行很要求本人答復的 不可能透過翻譯卡一手
03/22 22:04, 25F
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03/22 22:04, 1年前 , 26F
幾十上百萬可以動用是有可能的阿
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03/22 22:04, 1年前 , 27F
很不想看到這個局面 但的確不該雙標
03/22 22:04, 27F
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03/22 22:04, 1年前 , 28F
這個論點的前提是大谷有所謂理專或帳戶管理人吧，有嗎？
03/22 22:04, 28F
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03/22 22:04, 1年前 , 29F
怎麼可能= =
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03/22 22:05, 1年前 , 30F
房租都馬自動扣款 誰會一筆一筆匯啊
03/22 22:05, 30F
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03/22 22:05, 1年前 , 31F
大谷那邊講水原有偷錢講這麼死 感覺他蠻有可能真有挪用
03/22 22:05, 31F
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03/22 22:05, 1年前 , 32F
部分金錢的
03/22 22:05, 32F
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03/22 22:05, 1年前 , 33F
美國洗錢管很嚴，大筆資金流動一定會引起注意的
03/22 22:05, 33F
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03/22 22:06, 1年前 , 34F
我付的房租就一筆一筆付的
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03/22 22:06, 1年前 , 35F
問銀行不就知道了
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03/22 22:07, 1年前 , 36F
大谷沒人幫他管錢嗎？之前傳聞不是他家族的人？
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03/22 22:07, 1年前 , 37F
美國很多沒有在自動扣款的啦
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03/22 22:07, 1年前 , 38F
如果是獨立帳戶用來支付日常，好很有錢放個幾百萬，要
03/22 22:07, 38F
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03/22 22:07, 1年前 , 39F
而且現在手機不都有app聯通網銀 出入帳都會跳通知
03/22 22:07, 39F
還有 170 則推文
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03/22 23:40, 1年前 , 210F
壞事，你很難證明這件事是不是也是自己授權讓對方作的
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03/22 23:40, 1年前 , 211F
吧。所以才說這種作法其實盡量避免。
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03/22 23:44, 1年前 , 212F
一堆人把大谷真的當無行為能力人一樣XD
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03/22 23:45, 1年前 , 213F
要是銀行有出對帳單給大谷那就對大谷更不利了
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03/23 00:06, 1年前 , 214F
大谷的資產比很多大企業的資本額還高了，怎麼可能沒
03/23 00:06, 214F
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03/23 00:06, 1年前 , 215F
有財務管理團隊
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03/23 00:08, 1年前 , 216F
這點真的最怪隨便可以動用450w美金？
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03/23 00:10, 1年前 , 217F
從大谷帳戶出去的是50+50=100萬鎂才對
03/23 00:10, 217F
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03/23 00:10, 1年前 , 218F
匯出去兩次50萬
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03/23 00:19, 1年前 , 219F
谷黑：還不停!?
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03/23 00:55, 1年前 , 220F
大谷是不是有什麼把柄被抓到被要封口費
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03/23 01:04, 1年前 , 221F
哇，比很多大企業資本額還高???
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噓
03/23 02:02, 1年前 , 222F
某些谷粉是不是沒社會經驗啊，你註記一下loan銀行就會
03/23 02:02, 222F
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03/23 02:02, 1年前 , 223F
傻傻讓你過不用驗證身分喔，真以為銀行都白癡？
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03/23 02:15, 1年前 , 224F
美國古黑傾巢而出
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03/23 02:19, 1年前 , 225F
等調查出來就好 在那邊猜啊猜
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03/23 02:20, 1年前 , 226F
大谷有問題就受罰 即時目前我相信他無辜
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03/23 02:20, 1年前 , 227F
但證據說話
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03/23 04:19, 1年前 , 228F
這一定是谷黑
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03/23 04:25, 1年前 , 229F
都水原在講的
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03/23 04:27, 1年前 , 230F
專家在這版要變谷黑了
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03/23 10:42, 1年前 , 231F
不少人都用臺灣金融跟法律經驗看待美國金融跟法律狀
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03/23 10:42, 1年前 , 232F
況，可是實質上臺美雙方是有很大的差距，不能一併論
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03/23 10:42, 1年前 , 233F
之。還是得看當地的法律責任與金融管理方式，以及大
03/23 10:42, 233F
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03/23 10:42, 1年前 , 234F
谷平日如何管理金錢有關，日本法律與美國法律文化也
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03/23 10:42, 1年前 , 235F
差距很大，也不能用這點來決定大谷是否熟識法條。
03/23 10:42, 235F
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03/23 10:44, 1年前 , 236F
法律與官司的眉眉角角很多，不是懂一些法條就能知道
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03/23 10:44, 1年前 , 237F
會怎麼做。
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03/23 10:46, 1年前 , 238F
更正：法律的條文眉眉角角很多，並不是熟識法條就知
03/23 10:46, 238F
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03/23 10:46, 1年前 , 239F
道可以怎麼打官司，還是需要經驗的。
03/23 10:46, 239F
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03/23 10:47, 1年前 , 240F
這些接受訪問的法律專家也只能就現有的公開資訊作判
03/23 10:47, 240F
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03/23 10:47, 1年前 , 241F
斷來表達意見而已，實質上沒人清楚現在的事實情況為
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03/23 10:47, 1年前 , 242F
何。
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03/23 10:50, 1年前 , 243F
但是大谷這起事件還是提醒我們一件很重要的事情：自
03/23 10:50, 243F
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03/23 10:50, 1年前 , 244F
身的理財知識與法律知識非常重要
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03/23 11:34, 1年前 , 245F
如果停職調查會損失慘重
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03/23 11:57, 1年前 , 246F
看來看去就是第一次說法最準，結果大谷的律師團在搞變
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03/23 11:57, 1年前 , 247F
了一個說法現在下不了台
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03/23 11:58, 1年前 , 248F
大谷不只要開除水原應該把律師團和公關團隊都重建
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03/23 12:00, 1年前 , 249F
他的團隊已經不適合道奇這個大舞台了
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