Fw: [外電] Baker:我求聯盟在新球季保護太空人

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※ [本文轉錄自 MLB 看板 #1UI5h-Wm ] 作者: charlie01 () 看板: MLB 標題: [外電] Baker:我求聯盟在新球季保護太空人 時間: Sun Feb 16 04:56:28 2020 Dusty Baker urges MLB to protect Astros from beanballs, retaliation Jeff Passan, ESPN 12:36 AM CT WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Houston manager Dusty Baker urged Major League Baseball to help protect his players from potential retaliation and to discipline opponents who hit Astros players with pitches because they're angry at the organization for the widespread cheating during their championship-winning 2017 season. 火越燒越大，貝克忍不住了，直接公開請求聯盟保護太空人球員免於被故意報復。 "I'm depending on the league to try to put a stop to this seemingly premeditated retaliation that I'm hearing about," Baker said Saturday morning. "And in most instances in life, you get kind of reprimanded when you have premeditated anything. I'm just hoping that the league puts a stop to this before somebody gets hurt." 「我現在只能寄望聯盟對這些我聽聞的看似已有預謀的報復踩剎車了， 在真實人生中如果你在預謀什麼不好的事被知道了也會被大聲斥責， 我只希望聯盟在這些孩子們受傷之前做做事。」 The deluge of criticism toward the Astros did not abate Saturday, with Chicago Cubs star Kris Bryant calling the organization "a disgrace" and not buying into the team's apology. 隨著各隊紛紛報到開訓，全民嘴爆浪潮一點都沒有緩和的跡象， 今天小熊老大是最新加入的大咖，他說這隊簡直是耳心而且同樣不接受道歉。 "There's no sincerity. There's no genuineness when it comes to it," Bryant said about the Astros. "I know that if I messed up big in that way, I'd be the first one to let you know just how big of a mess up it was. It's hard to believe. It really is. It's sad." 「一點誠意都沒有，完全看不出誠心，」老大補充： 「我只知道如果我亂搞成這樣然後走到這步我會第一個想讓眾人知道到底亂搞到什麼程度 真是太不可置信了，真難過」 It comes a day after reigning National League MVP Cody Bellinger said the Astros "stole" the 2017 championship from the Los Angeles Dodgers and second baseman Jose Altuve "stole" the American League MVP from New York Yankees outfielder Aaron Judge in 2017. Cincinnati Reds starter Trevor Bauer went on an eight-minute harangue of the Astros, saying: "I'm not going to let them forget the fact that they are hypocrites, they are cheaters." Asked whether he would consider throwing at Astros batters, Dodgers pitcher Ross Stripling told reporters: "I would lean toward yes. In the right time and the right place." Stripling's comments echoed the sentiments of Cleveland Indians starter Mike Clevinger, who two weeks ago said: "I think players will deal with it the way it should be across the league. I don't think it's going to be a comfortable few ABs for a lot of those boys, and it shouldn't be. They shouldn't be comfortable." 笑臉王牌柯雷文哲兩週前的發言現在倒是被提起的不多，再提一次： 「我認為全聯盟的球員們都會用『該有的型態』來處理(太空人)， 他們這些打者們不會有幾個舒服的打席的，也不應該有，他們不應該過太舒服。」 Dodgers pitcher Alex Wood balked at the idea that Astros players were not disciplined for the sign-stealing scandal -- they traded honest testimony in interviews with MLB for immunity from punishment -- but others could be disciplined for throwing at them. When MLB determines the intent of a pitch is to hit a player, it typically levies a suspension for between three and five games. "Somebody will take it into their own hands, and they'll get suspended more games than any of those guys got for the biggest cheating scandal in 100 years," Wood said. "It'll be pretty ironic when that happens, because I'm sure that's how it'll end up playing out." 道奇被臨檢、Stripling、Alex Wood先前嘴爆內容，中英文消息都已有很多不贅述。 (聯盟認為你是故意砸人的話，依現行規定通常會被禁3-5場) Altuve, who a spokesman said was not at the Astros' complex Saturday, was not available for comment. Through the spokesman, outfielder George Springer and shortstop Carlos Correa declined to comment. Starter Justin Verlander was the lone member of the 2017 Astros to speak Saturday. HOU發言人說阿土伯今天不在隊上，(關於可能被故意砸一事)無法評論， 春天哥和柯瑞亞則是拒絕評論，只有V又講了幾句。 "The game has changed," Verlander said. "I think the commissioner has made it very clear in the past few seasons that throwing a baseball at somebody isn't an appropriate form of retaliation in the game anymore. The problem is knowing if it's on purpose or not. But I guess when you come out and say I'm going to do it on purpose, you know." 「現在時代已經不同了，」V說： 「過去幾季高層們已經表達得非常清楚用故意丟人來報復是很不適當的， 問題在於怎麼判定是不是故意的，但我想當你都已經跑出來大聲說你要故意的時候， 那就是了。」 Players across baseball have denigrated the Astros since reporting to spring training -- particularly following an ill-received apology Thursday during which owner Jim Crane suggested the cheating scheme "didn't impact the game" and consistently deferred to commissioner Rob Manfred's report to defend his lack of accountability. "I thought the apologies were whatever," Bellinger said. "I thought Jim Crane's was weak. I thought Manfred's punishment was weak, giving 'em immunity. I mean, these guys were cheating for three years. I think what people don't realize is Altuve stole an MVP from Judge in '17. Everyone knows they stole the ring from us. "I know personally I lost respect for those guys. I think I would say everyone in The Show, in the big leagues, lost respect for those guys." 同上，被臨檢的怒吼。 Added Bryant: "I'm pretty sure it was going [on] in 2018 and 2019, too. If they didn't get caught, they'd still be doing it. And they're only doing this apology because they got caught. Everyone around the league is upset and rightfully so, because it's really a disgrace to the game." 熊熊老大說：「我很確定2018和19一定還是有做啦，當你做了又沒人來抓， 你當然還會繼續做。他們現在道歉只是因為他們被抓到了， 聯盟裡每個人都很不爽並且很有正當理由不爽，這對比賽本身真是個恥辱。」 The only way to regain the respect, Verlander said, is to win this season. "It'll be like walking into a visiting stadium in the playoffs every time we go anywhere," he said. "At least we've experienced that before. You hope it'll die down eventually. I don't know if it will or not." 最後V說，唯一一個贏回尊重的方法大概是本季也贏下去了。 「我們整年每到一個客場那裡都會像季後賽氣氛一樣迎接我們， 至少我們以前有類似經驗了，你當然希望這氣氛終有一天會平息， 我只是不知道會或不會。」 ------- 回顧前面自己的看法，我還是要說聯盟這處理方式和尺度我一點都不意外， 太空人上下的說法和「道歉」方式也不太意外。 但這件事的演進狀況倒真的讓人有點意外和側目了， 隨著各隊全體報到(像洋基的野手群這兩天報到)， 可以預期這個議題和空戰還要延續好一段時間。 先不管真實狀況和什麼有幾隊不乾淨啦，聯盟的危機和公關處理真的很棒呢，嗯。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 180.176.176.154 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/MLB/M.1581800190.A.830.html ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ※ 轉錄者: charlie01 (180.176.176.154 臺灣), 02/16/2020 04:57:30
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02/16 05:59, 4年前 , 1F
看到虎王就覺得頗呵
02/16 05:59, 1F
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02/16 06:03, 4年前 , 2F
當聯盟的懲處無法平息民怨的時候 當事人的球隊會表示沒
02/16 06:03, 2F
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02/16 06:03, 4年前 , 3F
關係 我們自己來解決也行
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02/16 06:13, 4年前 , 4F
柯咧文哲XDD 感覺很會嘴砲
02/16 06:13, 4F
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02/16 06:20, 4年前 , 5F
聯盟處理太爛，搞到要球員嗆聲來消氣，真的丟到要怎麼判
02/16 06:20, 5F
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02/16 06:20, 4年前 , 6F
定故意或沒故意?
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噓
02/16 06:23, 4年前 , 7F
關你什麼事 ？
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02/16 06:26, 4年前 , 8F
我就等著看太鼓人到其他球隊的主場怎麼被球員球迷洗禮
02/16 06:26, 8F
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02/16 06:56, 4年前 , 9F
躲人新簽入球員：藤浪晉太郎
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02/16 06:56, 4年前 , 10F
絕對沒有故意砸人
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02/16 06:57, 4年前 , 11F
虎王是不是也欠砸
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02/16 07:09, 4年前 , 12F
太鼓人投手也會回丟 今年太鼓人要亂鬥20個球隊了
02/16 07:09, 12F
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02/16 07:18, 4年前 , 13F
作弊就乖乖被砸好嗎
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02/16 07:24, 4年前 , 14F
MLB要贏回觀眾就是讓太空人這幾個咖小被砸爆 期待新賽
02/16 07:24, 14F
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02/16 07:24, 4年前 , 15F
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02/16 07:25, 4年前 , 16F
把冠軍交出來人家搞不好會少砸你一點
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02/16 07:29, 4年前 , 17F
簽藤浪跟陽大哥
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02/16 07:29, 4年前 , 18F
既然聯盟對於這種惡劣事件的處理那麼軟弱 還讓犯人可
02/16 07:29, 18F
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02/16 07:29, 4年前 , 19F
以得意 是該有人出來好好教訓他們
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02/16 07:41, 4年前 , 20F
怕.jpg
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02/16 07:42, 4年前 , 21F
擺個防護網？
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02/16 07:44, 4年前 , 22F
怕就引退啊
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02/16 07:44, 4年前 , 23F
怪官方太軟吧 還想粉飾太平 活該被私刑正義 敢做還怕 笑死
02/16 07:44, 23F
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02/16 07:50, 4年前 , 24F
你看吧 早叫你禁賽一年了
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02/16 08:06, 4年前 , 25F
操你媽垃圾V中 等你上來打擊 也砸死你
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02/16 08:06, 4年前 , 26F
幹你娘 投手一看到太空人求依舊手滑 沒辦法智障聯盟
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02/16 08:09, 4年前 , 27F
活該，不值得同情
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02/16 08:11, 4年前 , 28F
爛死了 應該比照NBA逼快艇轉賣
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02/16 08:11, 4年前 , 29F
黑暗想法~~聯盟就是故意輕罰 讓話題持續 製造越多衝突火花
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02/16 08:13, 4年前 , 30F
樓上，不可能的，MLB還沒到要用負面行銷的地步，尤其是影響
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02/16 08:14, 4年前 , 31F
太空人投手回丟看看啊！客場走的出去嗎？
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02/16 08:15, 4年前 , 32F
比賽公平的負面行銷，運動競技最重要的就是公平性，嫌不夠刺
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02/16 08:16, 4年前 , 33F
激去找個強打者請他打全壘打後舉動誇張一些，多來幾次彼此互
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02/16 08:16, 4年前 , 34F
大聯盟處理很糟，球季開始一定會一堆問題
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02/16 08:17, 4年前 , 35F
嘴，話題就出來了，哪個行銷專家敢建議運動聯盟用作弊當負面
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02/16 08:17, 4年前 , 36F
行銷，我是老闆一定馬上炒了他
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02/16 08:18, 4年前 , 37F
不要想太多 單純就是無能主席Manfred想大事化小而已
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02/16 08:18, 4年前 , 38F
野手也該有種一點 自己多丟幾顆 別都賴給投手 增加失誤率
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02/16 08:18, 4年前 , 39F
一場一人往他們身上砸 差不多 畢竟投手沒辦法丟那麼多
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還有 23 則推文
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02/16 09:27, 4年前 , 63F
作弊還不好好道歉 真的夠噁
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02/16 09:28, 4年前 , 64F
Baker忍不住？那你知道其他29隊忍多久了嗎呵呵
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02/16 09:32, 4年前 , 65F
不怪貝克 但其他球員X成這樣被砸活該
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02/16 09:34, 4年前 , 66F
柯雷文哲…你很會
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02/16 09:34, 4年前 , 67F
支持開砸
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02/16 09:39, 4年前 , 68F
雷文哲這翻譯太主觀不太好，正常翻譯比較好
02/16 09:39, 68F
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02/16 09:40, 4年前 , 69F
V中的人格.........
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02/16 09:44, 4年前 , 70F
以為政客很可惡，這些太空人也不惶多讓
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02/16 09:45, 4年前 , 71F
我襪如果有一樣情況，拜託快去自盡，不要當政客
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02/16 09:52, 4年前 , 72F
嘴Baker又是哪來的一日酸..Baker接新總教說要收爛攤至
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02/16 09:53, 4年前 , 73F
少目前為止他講到的有做到，不然以為前陣子那道歉哪來
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02/16 09:53, 4年前 , 74F
?!要嘴太鼓沒誠意另一回事，但他敢逼那群道歉沒啥能嘴
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02/16 09:53, 4年前 , 75F
的。
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02/16 09:54, 4年前 , 76F
越來越期待開季了
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02/16 10:02, 4年前 , 77F
太鼓人打者的第一個打席 捕手都蹲在打者後面一定很精彩
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02/16 10:03, 4年前 , 78F
看標題還以為什麼貝帥為子祈禱文
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02/16 10:04, 4年前 , 79F
今年對每一隊的第一場等著被開場觸身吧
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02/16 10:04, 4年前 , 80F
太空人和聯盟把局面搞成這樣真的感人
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02/16 10:05, 4年前 , 81F
V中二 國聯的比賽自請退場吧 你以為只能砸野手?
02/16 10:05, 81F
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02/16 10:05, 4年前 , 82F
大家碰到太色人都藤浪化
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02/16 10:09, 4年前 , 83F
沒問題 直接禁賽一年就不用擔心被報復了
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02/16 10:14, 4年前 , 84F
誰說這不是正面宣傳 多少人想看太鼓被砸?
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02/16 10:16, 4年前 , 85F
全隊禁賽一年是最好的保護！
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02/16 10:27, 4年前 , 86F
曼仔:我要保護親兒子 其他隊:那我們換砸你
02/16 10:27, 86F
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02/16 10:29, 4年前 , 87F
不要多 一隊k你兩人次就好
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02/16 10:35, 4年前 , 88F
難怪棒球越來越難看
02/16 10:35, 88F
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02/16 10:38, 4年前 , 89F
作弊拿冠軍 代價才500萬鎂 超划算
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02/16 10:39, 4年前 , 90F
明年搞不好太鼓人的比賽票房大賣 大家都想看今天誰會被
02/16 10:39, 90F
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02/16 10:39, 4年前 , 91F
砸
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02/16 11:02, 4年前 , 92F
整禁賽一年
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02/16 11:29, 4年前 , 93F
作弊仔又在鄉愿 以為新球季繼續贏球能拿回尊重 尊個鬼啦
02/16 11:29, 93F
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02/16 11:30, 4年前 , 94F
所以你們以為球迷給你們的尊重是建立在贏球 而不是人品
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02/16 11:30, 4年前 , 95F
真的是從老闆到球員一個樣 雙標仔 作弊然後叫人不要追殺
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02/16 12:05, 4年前 , 96F
那個哈那ˇㄟㄧㄍˇㄋㄏˇㄢㄩㄧㄢ濃了呼籲民眾
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02/16 12:22, 4年前 , 97F
cpbl:保護? 太小咖了啊 你看誰敢報復我大cpbl? tml嗎?
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02/16 12:23, 4年前 , 98F
虎王。。。 科科
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02/16 13:00, 4年前 , 99F
丟V中 太空人也能反丟對面王牌投手 看誰投的準毀投手
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02/16 13:14, 4年前 , 100F
大家本來都想大聲斥責，但是作弊做太大了。
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02/16 13:52, 4年前 , 101F
如果V中季中轉隊 一定會後悔這樣護航
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