[情報] Hollinger's NBA 選秀雜談 拓會動#3嗎?

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前言:跳著翻譯跟拓荒者有關的段落,其他內容簡易翻 來源: The Athletic, Josh Hollinger 網址: https://reurl.cc/qk92vq (需付費) Hollinger’s NBA Draft Combine rumblings: What will Hornets do at No. 2? Will Blazers trade No. 3? 火靈哥NBA選秀綜合雜談:黃蜂#2會怎麼選? 拓荒者#3是否會交易呢? CHICAGO — We have one month until the draft, everyone is here for an event geared to prepare for the draft … and nobody is talking about the draft. 離今年選秀日還有一個月,大家都為了選秀焦頭爛額,但...沒人會把策略直接聊出來 Now that Victor Wembanyama’s fate has been determined, the eyes of execs, staffers and coaches here for the NBA Draft Combine are already fast-forwarding to a long, interesting offseason. 斑馬的命運已經確定前往馬刺,各球團高層教練組已經把心力放在漫長有趣的休賽季 Among the hot topics: 稍微提一下幾個熱門話題 Five — count ’em, five — coach openings, and desirable ones at that: Milwaukee, Phoenix and Philadelphia all offer the prospect of immediate contention; Toronto has money and isn’t tanking; and, um, Detroit. The Pistons might have been able to fish in the elite Nick Nurse/Monty Williams/Mike Budenholzer waters if they won the Wembanyama lottery; landing fifth likely puts them in first-time coach territory. Will the other plum jobs be musical chairs among those three names? 現在有「五個」教練空缺,公鹿/太陽/76人/暴龍/活塞,如果活塞抽到斑馬,就可以 悠閒的Nick Nurse/Monty Williams/Mike Budenholzer裡面慢慢挑了,可惜沒如果 Whether the Clippers’ Tyronn Lue will extend that list of coach openings to six or come to terms on a rich extension with LA. Lue only has one guaranteed year left on his deal but has most of the leverage here, as he is quite popular in rival front offices. The smart money seems to be on him staying. 快艇盧總會不會加上述名單,變成第六名教練空缺呢? Washington’s slow-motion GM search, with news leaking so slowly that even the term “leak” implies far too much velocity; this is, at best, an “ooze. ” Will the Wizards have a GM by the draft? By free agency? By November? 巫師總管還是空的,不知道哪時才會找到人選 The Ja Morant situation and how that might impact what other decisions the Grizzlies make. If the league suspends him, what justification will it use, and how long will he be sidelined? If it’s a big chunk of the season, how does that impact the Grizzlies’ other offseason decisions? Ja Morant二次玩槍事件會怎麼影響灰熊的操作呢? 聯盟這次禁賽又會用什麼理由呢? 禁多長時間? And, not least of all, the potential for a wild offseason of wheeling and dealing after so many teams pushed their chips in only to fall miles short of expectations in 2022-23. This comes just as the league’s free spenders are greeted with a new CBA that includes fairly draconian penalties for profligacy. 狂野的休賽季準備開始了,今年太多球隊投入非常多資產卻沒有打出預期的成果。 同時新CBA開跑,準備懲罰超大團。 Relative to the draft, that last bullet point is perhaps the most relevant. Several disappointed lottery teams are now in position to potentially trade their pick, but a vexing question remains: Trade it for what? Which teams are looking to throttle down and convert a star-caliber veteran into a draft pick? Even teams that might get hammered by the new luxury-tax rules, such as the Clippers and Warriors, don’t seem to be of a mind to just start shedding talent. 最后一則選秀話題:多支樂透順位的球隊非常有可能交易他們的選秀籤,但耐人尋味的 問題隨之而來,你能交易到什麼資產?哪些球團準備賣球星拆了?準備被新CBA搞的快艇 跟勇士隊,目前似乎也不打算拆隊。 One can argue there are teams that should be doing this, mind you, but sorry: There does not appear to be any willpower for this type of step back in places like, say, Chicago or Portland or Washington. Zach LaVine, Damian Lillard and Bradley Beal aren’t walking through that door. Toronto seems like the only team that might — might — entertain dealing elite wings for draft capital. As we’ll see in a minute, this state of affairs puts one lottery team in particular in a quandary. 或許公牛、拓荒者和巫師都應該這麼做。LaVine, Lillard, Beal都沒打進季後賽。 暴龍則很可能是唯一一支球隊,能提供出優質側翼交換選秀資產。 Actual NBA Draft, and trade, talk 接下來談談選秀概況跟交易可能性 Speaking of which: Before we stick our heads too far into July, however, let’ s shift gears back to June 22. We can speculate all we want about various maybes in free agency and trades, but I guarantee you there will be a draft on June 22 and that 58 players will be selected. Since the draft happens before free agency, some of the plentiful thorny issues waiting on draft night could have considerable domino effects on other teams’ summers. Only one thing is in no doubt at all: The Spurs are taking Wembanyama with the top pick. You can go ahead and tell the engraver to get started on that one. 馬刺不需要多談,選斑馬就對了 How the Spurs won the NBA Lottery: Inside the room where San Antonio's fortunes changed After that, things quickly get interesting. Among the scuttlebutt this week: 除了斑馬,後面的順位就開始有趣囉,這週的幾個乳摸分享 ‧ The draft starts with Charlotte and the second pick, where the Hornets are likely choosing between point guard Scoot Henderson of G League Ignite and small forward Brandon Miller of Alabama. While Henderson is in my judgment the superior talent, playing him and LaMelo Ball in the same backcourt could give the Hornets pause. Charlotte isn’t tipping its hand, nor should it; a trade down to No. 3 is another possibility, but only sellable if the team at No. 3 isn’t sure which player the Hornets want. 黃蜂 #2也不確定選Scoot Henderson 還是 Brandon Miller,都有可能, 甚至可以向下交易給 #3的那支球隊,讓別人先選擇 ‧ Note that I said “the team at No. 3” because of widespread speculation the Trail Blazers, who currently own the pick, will seek to trade out of the third position rather than select another young player. With Portland in “ win it for Dame” mode and the Blazers desperate for playable wings (even presuming they re-sign Jerami Grant), speculation is already widespread that a package of the third pick and Anfernee Simons might be used to snag an elite small forward. 注意我用的措辭「#3 那支球隊」,因為#3的持有球隊拓荒者,正在尋求可以符合小李 時間線的側翼球員,同時也會簽下Grant,眾所周知,拓荒者最可能提供的包裹就是 Anfernee Simons + #3 換 菁英等級小前鋒 ‧ My favorite fake trade, however, kills two birds with one stone by resolving the Magic’s backcourt issue. Orlando holds pick Nos. 6 and 11 and would likely be tempted to trade up and take Henderson if the Hornets select Miller at No. 2. Could some combination of the sixth and 11th picks and another asset allow the Magic to move up to No. 3? 火靈哥最喜歡的交易乳摸,拓荒者 #3 <> 魔術#6 + #11 + 其他資產。 但前提是黃蜂先選了Brandon Miller,魔術才能選Scoot Henderson來解決後場問題 The other half of this trade is that it would allow the Blazers to hedge their bets by splitting their lottery pick in two. Imagine, for instance, a scenario where the Blazers do this trade with Orlando, then deal the sixth pick for immediate wing help but hang on to No. 11 and use it on Duke big man Dereck Lively II. Of course, this still requires such a player to actually be available, and parlaying the sixth pick into that player in particular could prove problematic given that Houston and Detroit may want to do the same thing at No. 4 and No. 5. 拓荒者可以用#6 選一位側翼球員,#11選 Dereck Lively II這樣的護框大個子 但有相對應的風險,火箭#4、活塞#5非常有可能把拓荒者想選的側翼球員挑走 ‧ Complicating the logic for Portland at No. 3 is that Houston at No. 4 is likely pursuing the same alternative. In fact, the Rockets are arguably even more in “win-now” mode than the Blazers, despite a young roster coming off a 22-win season. This is because the Rockets owe a top-four protected first-round pick to the Thunder as a result of the Chris Paul–Russell Westbrook trade and thus have little incentive to take their lumps for another season: It’s time to win. (Houston also owes a top-four protected first from this deal in 2026, as well as a top-20 protected pick swap in 2025. Yikes.) 情況其實非常複雜,因為火箭#4 也想跟拓荒者做相同的事情,尋求Win-Now模式, 火箭首輪籤在雷霆手上,沒得好坦 The fourth pick (not to mention their other pick at No. 20) is unlikely to advance that objective on a roster that already has seven first-round picks still on their rookie contracts, plus a 23-year-old Kevin Porter Jr. and a 22-year-old Kenyon Martin Jr. It would seem there isn’t room on the roster to add two more young players if the Rockets are serious about taking a step forward. Houston’s dreams of repatriating James Harden are well-chronicled, and the Rockets will want the rest of their $60 million in cap room and room exception to sign some veteran help. 簡單來說,火箭天賦爆了,選來也沒時間練,更重要是追求James Harden回歸跟如何利用 60M的薪資空間。 Of all the teams in the high lottery, Houston is the one that seemingly needs to make a deal most urgently. The Rockets’ quandary, as noted above, is whether there’s a player available who would justify such a high price, and if so, whether the Blazers’ pick at No. 3 would trump them. 在高順位幾支球隊中,火箭會是最需要立刻談成交易的球隊。火箭的問題是能否找到一名 球員適配如此高的資產價值,那拓荒者#3 是否會比火箭提供的包裹來得有吸引力呢? ‧ Picking fifth, Detroit is hoping to make a move up this season, but is that realistic? The Pistons might be better off trying to add another piece to the Jaden Ivey–Cade Cunningham–Jalen Duren core and seeing what they have after a 17-win season a year ago. This isn’t a great season to tank it, per se, with a blah 2024 class waiting, but it’s not clear how Detroit would move up even if it went all-in on the idea. The Pistons’ core players need to get better before that’s a realistic strategy. Yes, Detroit could theoretically trade its pick at No. 5, but look at the landscape. News flash: The picks at No. 3 and No. 4 are more desirable than the one at No. 5. With Portland and Houston likely looking to deal, it means the Pistons will be third at the trough when it comes to lottery-pick-for-star type trades; it’s tough to come up with one star player who could fit the bill for a trade like this right now, let alone three. The Pistons’ best move is likely another year of quiet building, and perhaps hearing teams out on deals for Alec Burks and Bogdan Bogdanovio댊 活塞天賦也爆了,更應該追求戰績並整合,沒錯!所以活塞#5 也會非常想交易的, 但#5比不上 #3 & #4,所以有三支球隊都在找明星球員,但談成一位明星都非常難了, 更何況同時間有三位明星可以談,活塞更可能安靜地繼續選秀重建 ‧ On a related front, I have some terrible news for fans generating fake Mikal Bridges trades: The Nets don’t seem to have much incentive to play ball here. Brooklyn owes unprotected picks to Houston in 2024 and 2026 and unprotected swaps in 2025 and 2027. Thus, Brooklyn trading its good players and tanking would do a lot more for the Rockets than the Nets. Brooklyn’s likely best path forward is to muddle along with a Bridges-centric team, especially since he’s signed through 2026 to one of the league’s best contracts. 必須打醒這群生產籃網大橋交易假新聞的人,籃網欠火箭2024 & 2026無保護首輪, 2025 & 2027 首輪交換權。所以籃網根本不能坦,更可能圍繞大橋且戰且走,尤其 他簽下了全聯盟最好的合約直到2026年。 ‧ Two other picks insiders expect to be in play: Dallas’ selection at No. 10 — likely paired with either or both of Dāvis Bertāns and JaVale McGee to bring in more immediate help — and the Thunder’s pick at No. 12. In Oklahoma City’s case, it’s still a long-term play, but the idea is that the Thunder would use their surfeit of future picks to move up in this lottery; they somehow have only one pick this year but are likely to have four firsts in 2024 and still have four future firsts from other teams in 2025 and beyond. 小犢#10 可能會打包波燙或Mcgee去換即戰力,雷霆#12 會尋求向上交易順位 -------- 短評或心得: 翻完真的有趣了,要找明星或戰力的球隊很多,肯定也包含季後賽隊伍, Simons + #3的吸引力很可能沒有拓迷設想的這麼高? -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 61.230.3.118 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/BLAZERS/M.1684548710.A.513.html

05/20 10:15, 11月前 , 1F
Hollinger講這話很實在
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05/20 10:21, 11月前 , 2F
我拓要win now又去換#6+#11沒意義吧?養一個變養兩個?
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05/20 10:33, 11月前 , 3F
有前提阿 他是說選到Scoot的話
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05/20 10:33, 11月前 , 4F
而且除了#6+#11 還有魔術其他球員
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05/20 10:51, 11月前 , 5F
現在看來假如Scoot掉下來 交易價值應該比較大
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05/20 10:51, 11月前 , 6F
假如是Miller掉下來 我們可能自選 然後把#23拿去解鎖
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05/20 10:51, 11月前 , 7F
首輪 再拿之後的首輪搭球員去交易 這樣好像合理點
05/20 10:51, 7F

05/20 10:54, 11月前 , 8F
因為研究一下 全明星控衛其實很多隊伍都缺
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05/20 10:54, 11月前 , 9F
Scoot Henderson非常有可能成為全明星控球後衛
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05/20 11:14, 11月前 , 10F
那如果他去別隊飛天了 我們應該被笑慘
05/20 11:14, 10F

05/20 11:16, 11月前 , 11F
從熱火可以看出一個教練的好壞能決定天花板,爛瓜你怎
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05/20 11:16, 11月前 , 12F
麼交易都沒用
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05/20 11:31, 11月前 , 13F
怎麼大家都想拿今年的籤解鎖首輪 今年是可能到#30都
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05/20 11:31, 11月前 , 14F
還有好球員的一年耶 明年挑的都不一定好
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05/20 11:33, 11月前 , 15F
認真覺得3號拿去換一個"所謂的All star"以後會後悔,加上
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05/20 11:33, 11月前 , 16F
我大槍瓜加持
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05/20 11:45, 11月前 , 17F
明年是超小年哦
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05/20 11:46, 11月前 , 18F
因為給人的只要沒解鎖 若有大交易要談包裹 後面幾年的首
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05/20 11:46, 11月前 , 19F
輪都不能動 S級球星基本都會談到的…
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05/20 11:57, 11月前 , 20F
Scoot高機率養成全明星 但沒辦法阿拓被小李綁架了 只能衝
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05/20 11:57, 11月前 , 21F
一波 不然以Simon/Sharpe/#3最好的時間軸是2-3年後趁#3/S
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05/20 11:57, 11月前 , 22F
harpe還沒換約前拼一發 小李去換綠賽JB這種兩年後還在巔峰
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05/20 11:57, 11月前 , 23F
期的球星 時間上比較搭得起來
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05/20 11:57, 11月前 , 24F
唉兩難啊 賭失敗的話感覺未來很涼
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05/20 11:58, 11月前 , 25F
SH+Sharpe 未來看起來也很不錯
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05/20 12:00, 11月前 , 26F
明年超小年 連Bronny都能排進首輪了
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05/20 12:02, 11月前 , 27F
先看Nurk Ant能不能談個先發鋒線或是補強內線吧
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05/20 12:13, 11月前 , 28F
阿拓真的要想想看其實拿到#3這個籤位 就代表能有天賦可挑
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05/20 12:13, 11月前 , 29F
缺乏天賦的你們 最好還是留著用
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05/20 12:14, 11月前 , 30F
除非有打算炒短線 All in 不然自用養成總比交易好
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05/20 12:15, 11月前 , 31F
支持自選
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05/20 12:15, 11月前 , 32F
我拓養成真的不差
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05/20 12:15, 11月前 , 33F
肯定啊,聯盟規則探花籤我們最少可以綁8年
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05/20 12:16, 11月前 , 34F
尤其我們養後衛超強的啊,選到Scoot年度隊
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05/20 12:16, 11月前 , 35F
我是覺得滿有機會的XDDD
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05/20 12:21, 11月前 , 36F
已經想像到38歲的老李被交易走的scoot得50分嗆瞎
05/20 12:21, 36F

05/20 12:21, 11月前 , 37F
先不要好了
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05/20 12:30, 11月前 , 38F
抬價啊,ㄧ直喊不賣的話這樣想要探花的球隊就會自己
05/20 12:30, 38F

05/20 12:30, 11月前 , 39F
來求我們賣,這樣價格高多了
05/20 12:30, 39F
還有 74 則推文
還有 1 段內文
05/24 14:59, 11月前 , 114F
經做足研究了,就看看球團整體的評估如何
05/24 14:59, 114F

05/24 15:00, 11月前 , 115F
然後這也搞不好是Schmitz叫他的老同事Givony出來幫忙帶
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05/24 15:00, 11月前 , 116F
個風向也不一定XDDD
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05/24 15:13, 11月前 , 117F
之前好像哪個球員也是得這個
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05/24 15:15, 11月前 , 118F
網球的費爸也得過 當時直接從巔峰下跌的樣子
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05/24 15:17, 11月前 , 119F
煙霧彈可能性很高,去年也沒人想到我們會選Sharpe不
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05/24 15:17, 11月前 , 120F
選吸塵器
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05/24 15:18, 11月前 , 121F
倒是有點好奇職業運動員面試都問什麼問題
05/24 15:18, 121F

05/24 16:51, 11月前 , 122F
應該是試訓,不是面試?
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05/24 16:54, 11月前 , 123F
前面推文說有面談應該是試訓的一個項目吧
05/24 16:54, 123F

05/24 20:28, 11月前 , 124F
說真的如果是現在我還真的會想3號簽往下換簽+人,如果要
05/24 20:28, 124F

05/24 20:28, 11月前 , 125F
跟小李賭一把當然要即戰力
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05/24 21:14, 11月前 , 126F
小李交易來爵士啦 他之前說過如果真的被交易
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05/24 21:15, 11月前 , 127F
希望是爵士 因為母校在旁邊
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05/24 21:16, 11月前 , 128F
不過爵士手上只能出後衛 對你們沒幫助
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05/24 21:23, 11月前 , 129F
小李應該不會離隊啦,如果像暴龍那種盤子價硬吞沒比較
05/24 21:23, 129F

05/24 21:23, 11月前 , 130F
好,賭#3的即戰力也是一種路線
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05/24 21:24, 11月前 , 131F
向下換不能超過溜馬#7,側翼很可能被選完
05/24 21:24, 131F

05/24 21:25, 11月前 , 132F
火箭#4+#20,魔術#6+#11,溜馬活塞乳摸沒有
05/24 21:25, 132F

05/24 21:39, 11月前 , 133F
B.Miller > J.Walker > Hendricks > Whitmore
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05/24 21:54, 11月前 , 134F
我還是最想要活塞的長人+五號籤,但是我覺得除非有BM 否
05/24 21:54, 134F

05/24 21:54, 11月前 , 135F
則活塞不缺後衛應該沒的談
05/24 21:54, 135F

05/24 22:15, 11月前 , 136F
#3 + Little 換活塞 #5 + J.Duren ?
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05/24 22:15, 11月前 , 137F
哈哈 其實我覺得可以當成一個方案 滿喜歡的
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05/24 22:31, 11月前 , 138F
活塞不缺1號,沒啥理由換吧
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05/24 22:43, 11月前 , 139F
你看前三行啊,“活塞除非有BM"
05/24 22:43, 139F

05/25 10:09, 11月前 , 140F
魔術有富兒子根本不會想要Scoot Hendson
05/25 10:09, 140F

05/25 11:20, 11月前 , 141F
富兒子或許能再進步,但Scoot新秀合約直接配Banchero
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05/25 11:22, 11月前 , 142F
我覺得還行啊,不然國外也不會討論乳摸,還一堆贊同
05/25 11:22, 142F

05/25 16:31, 11月前 , 143F
覺得富兒子+GaryHarris換小李再互換選秀還比較有可能
05/25 16:31, 143F

05/25 18:17, 11月前 , 144F
富兒子+GaryHarris換小李?
05/25 18:17, 144F

05/25 19:00, 11月前 , 145F
太棒了,小李完全被看沒有
05/25 19:00, 145F

05/25 19:19, 11月前 , 146F
......= = 我很後悔回你推文
05/25 19:19, 146F

05/25 19:37, 11月前 , 147F
支持 未來富兒子大概是巔峰curry等級
05/25 19:37, 147F

05/25 19:37, 11月前 , 148F
小李一輩子庸庸碌碌 我拓小賺
05/25 19:37, 148F

05/25 19:50, 11月前 , 149F
如果再收Scoot 一定會出掉一些後衛 加上之前有看到說如果
05/25 19:50, 149F

05/25 19:51, 11月前 , 150F
Wanger和Banchero養好後 不排除會找其他明星 合理安排就賣
05/25 19:51, 150F

05/25 19:53, 11月前 , 151F
富兒子 加上GaryHarris一直想賣
05/25 19:53, 151F

05/25 20:03, 11月前 , 152F
不過我實在不覺得魔術想要Scoot, 富兒子的缺三分, Scoot也是
05/25 20:03, 152F

05/25 20:05, 11月前 , 153F
實在不覺得收Scoot有什麼好處
05/25 20:05, 153F
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