Fw: [外絮] 為了獲得Aldridge真的值得這麼勞心勞力?

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※ [本文轉錄自 NBA 看板 #1LbvyOe- ] 作者: huntai (婚帶) 看板: NBA 標題: [外絮] 為了獲得Aldridge真的值得這麼勞心勞力? 時間: Sat Jul 4 16:53:41 2015 原文網址: https://goo.gl/kAXNSH 原文標題:Is LaMarcus Aldridge Really Worth All the Trouble? LaMarcus Aldridge is the top free agent who might actually switch teams. More than one team has traded off major contributors to acquire him without getting any commitment first, and the Los Angeles Lakers seem desperate to land him. And this all raises a question worth asking: Is he worth it? Aldridge是今年自由市場上最大牌的自由球員. 許多球隊都為了得到他而交易掉隊中的主力以清出薪資空間, 即使他並沒對它們作出任何承諾,而湖人就是其中一隊想抓大魚的. 那麼問題來了: 他真的值得嗎? There are certainly reasons to believe he is. He averaged 23.4 points and 10.2 rebounds last season. The only other players to hit those marks in the last five years are Anthony Davis, Kevin Love and DeMarcus Cousins, per Basketball-Reference.com. 有許多原因足以說服我們, 他的確值得. 他在上個賽季平均獲得23.4分, 10.2籃板, 近5年來, 只有AD, Kevin Love 還有表弟達成過這個成就. He also began to shoot more threes and made 35.2 percent of his triples, which dwindles the above list down to just Love. A power forward who can stretch the court and rebound is certainly an asset to be valued as the league leans more and more in that direction. 如果再加上35.2%三分球命中率的條件, 上面的名單就扣剩Keven Love一人. 一個可以拉開空間, 同時又有籃板的PF, 絕對是值得考慮的因素, 因為現在的NBA已經越來越傾向外線投籃. And, unlike Love, Aldridge doesn’t present a defensive challenge to compensate for when he’s on the court. Opponents shot 2.1 percent below their season averages when he was on them, per NBA.com. 同時, Aldridge比Love有優勢的地方是, 他不會在防守端變成負贅. 根據NBA.com, 有他在場上時, 對手的命中率會比平常下降2.1%. Aldridge certainly is a nice piece to have on a championship caliber team, but does that mean he’s a game changer? Is he worth the sacrifice some teams are making? When you start looking at the advanced numbers, he’s not quite as impressive. Aldridge絕對是奪冠的一塊拼圖, 但這就表示說他是一個game changer嗎? 他真的值得讓那些球隊犧牲這麼多以得到他? 當你往進階數據看的時候, 就變得不那麼有說服力. Of players qualifying for the minutes per game leaderboard, his 22.8 player efficiency rating was eighth, last season. His 8.6 win shares ranked just 21st. His box plus-minus was .3, only good for 105th. His Real Plus-Minus was 4.06, ranking 25th, per ESPN.com. Among players who averaged 20 minutes and played 40 games, his Player Impact Estimate was tied for 11th. His 1108.2 Floor Impact Counter at RealGM.com was 13th. AGG上一季進階數據 分數 排名 Win Shares 8.6 21 PER 22.8 8 RPM 4.06 25 PIE 15.6 11 FIC 1108.2 13 平均排名 15.6 If you disregard his BPM as an anomaly (which it obviously is), his overall numbers place him as somewhere between the eighth- and 25th-best player in the league. On average he’s at 15.6. 如果撇開他超弱的Box+/-值(第105名的確是很弱), 他各項數據的排名是8到25之間. 名次平均起來變成第15.6名. We could argue that those numbers don’t appreciate the “eye test” and that numbers can be deceiving. Of course, numbers and the eye test aren’t mutually exclusive either, and the vast majority of the time, the numbers tell the truth — particularly when most of them are saying the same thing. 你可以反駁說數據並不等於我們所親眼看到的表現, 而且數據可以是騙人的 (感覺好像科迷跟詹迷口水戰時的語氣). 當然, 數據和由眼睛判斷並不互相排斥, 大多數時候, 它們的指標都是一樣的. And part of the deception is the reputation as a court-stretcher is overstated. Yes, he shot well enough from behind the three-point line, but he only actually made 37. And he has just 61 for his entire career. The scoring average is nice, but he took more two-point attempts than anyone in the league, and the majority of those came from the less-efficient mid-range area of the court. 同時, 說他善於拉開空間也是被過分渲染的一點, 因為AGG去年只投中了37個三分球, 而他整個職業生涯也只投中61球三分. 他有很棒的平均得分, 但大多都是靠比較不那麼有得分效率的中距離得來的. Nor, as his shot chart reveals, is he particularly effective in any area: 他的shot chart也顯示他並沒有任何一個區域是特別有得分效率的. http://goo.gl/rBPm6y (其實內線和左邊底角三分蠻強的, 就是出手數太少) So it’s a legitimate question: How much is it worth to land a player who isn ’t even in the top 10? Bear in mind, this isn’t taking a swipe at Aldridge. He’s a very good player, but is he a truly elite player? Is he the type, nearing 30 years old, who can turn the fortunes of a franchise around? 回到問題的根源: 一個不算聯盟前十的球員到底值得一支球隊付出多少以得到他? 這不是在貶低Aldridge, 他是一個非常好的球員, 問題是, 他真的是最頂尖的球星嗎? 他是不是那種就算到了30歲還是有能力把一支球隊的命運扭轉的球員? Whether he’s worth it or not may come down to what the team has to offer around him. In a case like the San Antonio Spurs, where there’s enough in place to form a solid structure beneath his feet, I think it’s a bold, but smart move. However, with some of the other teams hoping to land him as the cornerstone of a rebuilding project, I don’t think he has that kind of talent. 其實他值不值得這個價還得看是哪一支球隊想得到他. 像對馬刺隊來說, 我就認為是個大膽而值得的投資, 因為馬刺隊形跟AGG真的很合. 至於其他球隊, 我並不認為AGG有獨力改變他們命運的天賦. He’s not a LeBron James-type figure who can join any team in the league and instantly make them a contender. He can be a difference-maker, but only in the right situation. However, when it comes to free agency, there’s always an extra value to being the best player available. It causes perceptions and value to inflate. 他並不是像LBJ那種加入哪支球隊, 那支球隊就立刻變頂級強權的球員. 他也許有這個能力, 但是只有在特定環境底下才能夠成立. 然而, 在自由市場上最好的球員通常都會獲得溢價的. Some teams will regret what they gave up to land him if they miss out, but if he doesn’t make the “right” choice, the winner might have buyer’s remorse as well. 有些球隊也許會因為不做任何動作去得到AGG而感到後悔. 但是, 如果AGG沒有作出正確的選擇, 不適合卻因此得到他的球隊也會懊惱不己. 心得: 簡短翻譯, AGG不是萬用插頭, 那些有心臟病結果還要去買這盒糖尿病藥的請後果自負. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 115.164.208.99 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1436000024.A.A3E.html
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他就是大腿
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我陽收!
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超肥 超多汁 都流口水了
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我刺迷 也不認為AGG來馬刺能帶給馬刺多少變化
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大概就是當年Sheed去活塞的角色
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我也滿納悶 為什AGG可以搞得像驚天動地一樣......
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適合萬事俱備只欠東風的球隊
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現在這資訊爆炸的時代應該是主因吧
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來太陽啦
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翻譯:他很適合馬刺 去其他地方不適合他
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馬刺陣型需要他啊，不一定會變強但至少不會變爛
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抓到了 馬刺打手
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馬刺體質良好 體系又不會太過折損老將的球員壽命
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因為要他的球隊很有話題性 去不去都有新聞可寫
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AGG又是30歲最後一張大約 去馬刺很合理
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應該是去年第一輪對火箭神鬼表現太令人印象深刻了
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會這樣是自由市場的大咖早早都沒了吧
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AGG超猛的啊 2K15根本鬼神 低位中距離射滿臉
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對現在的湖人來說 追AGG當作做夢就好
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Love, Milsap,都留隊了
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去馬刺啦 給你三十分鐘左右就可以贏球 減少身體損耗
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尤其是PF
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吃不到葡萄 說葡萄酸
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當然啦～如果AGG真的被Mitch灌迷湯那就另當別論
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但是以AGG的個性來看 他應該知道去馬刺是最好的
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吃不到葡萄...是說這個記者?
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啥時大前鋒一定要三分？中距離準能打內線照樣吃的開
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來太陽啦 萬事俱備只欠AGG
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中距離有4成，不差了吧
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來太陽拉QwQ 我們好缺明星球員
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得不到就毀了他 哈哈哈哈哈
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LMA有轉隊就好 我最喜歡看轉隊了
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市場大物現在就只剩阿基基拉, 供不應求價值自然會高
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看完這篇我只覺得未來是AD的...超級大腿
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感覺是不是某隊得不到他 請寫手抹黑的可能性
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就是馬刺了 我剛剛掐指一算
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石佛都被你們看扁這麼久了
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感覺是雞蛋裡挑骨頭
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事實 他最適合馬刺 還不快去在那邊媽祖出巡
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唉唉
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本人發文了..
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本人twitter也說要成為馬刺人了
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嗯...美國時間周五晚上就通知我們會選太陽或馬刺了...
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不過馬刺還要送掉小米 屌爺吧? 不然空間怎麼夠?
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有需要大怒灌的請打+1 超過3人我就開 剩下的我無言了
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所以台北時間早上打了我們槍...
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不想罵..待也待這麼多年了
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但別想要我再支持他
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早有心理準備他可能會走了 不像82措手不及 感覺不需要
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去馬刺這樣馬刺又更強了..看來阿拓冠軍夢真的遙遙無期了
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馬刺的強是強在板凳加先發都能有功效
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每步每步我都說中 接下來就用重組的人選作重建的事情
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現在要簽AGG他們還要清空間 清完後再看看吧
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噓
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講真的 有點不爽
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而AGG上推特的第一件事不是感謝阿拓及球迷...而是說他有
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多興奮的加入馬刺及回家...
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清空間甚麼的說實在跟我們無關了
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我在意的點跟C大一樣
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沒感謝球迷，真的滿讓人詫異的……
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我更同意上次球迷說AGG留下招募就不會到今天這樣
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AGG的合約第3年是PO，祝他們3年後再上演AGG人生
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若是這樣完全不祝福AGG
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推Roy大，還是Roy好
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不用擔心和詛咒別人了 看看GM捅的爛攤子三年後在西區可能
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還在後段游 再繼續挺GM吧 話說小牛三天就重建完畢了耶XD
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這三年沒Stotts和這個team，Agg人生也不會這麼轟轟烈
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烈吧imo
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看錯 是第四年PO
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小牛那算重建完成嗎? 還沒有先發PG 板凳也是大缺
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先發除了DJ 目前都各有痛痛病史
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先發還在找還沒結束 馬刺也沒替補這種問題簡單多了
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小牛目前如果不做先簽後換也只剩2M多薪資
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不用擔心薪資問題很好清 沒意外至少還有Lin
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Lin最少也要清個6M出來 除非他真的佛心拿2.多M
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而要清的話 肥頓應該是唯一可動的吧
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小牛版先晃一圈怎生薪資空間再來說吧
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+1
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