[新聞] ANA首架787過重導致只能飛航於區域航線

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ANA的首架787過重導致只能飛航於區域航線 簡單說 1. 787 原型機 (ZA001): 9.8 tonnes (21,500 lbs) overweight 2. S/N 7~19: overweight at 6.1 tonnes (13,500 lbs 3. S/N 20: 4 tonnes (8,800 lbs) overweight. 4. S/N 34 (南航 1st架)~50: block points for further weight reductions. 5. S/N 90開始: with no overweight issue 看來買飛機不要買前100架倒還頗有幾分道理. 不過長榮當初買77W, 不曉得有無overweight issue 就不得而知了 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/flightblogger/ Excess weight keeps ANA's early 787s in the neighborhood (Update1) By Jon Ostrower on October 4, 2011 10:08 PM At last week's 787 first delivery, Satoru Fujiki, an All Nippon Airways senior vice president, told reporters that the performance shortfall on the early deliveries would slot the aircraft into a role of regional missions, rather than long-range international flights, which will be flown with later built aircraft. "The early 787s are actually much heavier than later-coming deliveries," he said. "So, for those aircraft we have taken an option to introduce those aircraft for domestic short haul and regional operations." The comment was the first direct acknowledgement by ANA about the impact of excess structural weight the early 787s on the mission profile identified for the aircraft. Boeing has always maintained it would meet customer performance guarantees, though it was the clearest indication that weight gain would define the mission of the early aircraft. The early deliveries, including Airplanes Eight and 24, are configured with twin Package A Rolls-Royce Trent 1000s with 64,000lbs of thrust and 264 seats for early domestic operations and will be updated to 222 seats when the missions expand regionally. With the certified MTOW capped for each airframe, the growth in the operating empty weight (OEW) of the aircraft eats into the possible traffic load for each flight, however, with a smaller requirement for items such as catering and fuel in short-medium haul operations, the required fuel for a long-range mission is traded for increased payload and a higher passenger capacity. For ANA, a shorter cruise phase in domestic and regional operations lessens the impact of carrying the excess structural weight over long distances. A recent report now provides some hard figures about the current weight of the aircraft. Aspire Aviation, which published a comprehensive report on the 787's performance Monday, writes: ~~~~~ According to Aspire Aviation's two sources at the US airframer, the first 787 prototype, dubbed ZA001 which carries the registration N787BA, is 9.8 tonnes (21,500 lbs) overweight, a significant figure when considering the aircraft's specific maximum zero fuel weight (MZFW) of 161,025 kg (355,000 lbs). Line number 7 to 19 (LN7-LN19), the same sources confirm, are considerably less overweight at 6.1 tonnes (13,500 lbs). Line number 20 (LN20), the first 787 to feature increased maximum take-off weight (MTOW) from 219,539 kg (484,000 lbs) to 227,930 kg (502,500 lbs) to recover some of the payload/range capabilities lost owing to the overweight issue, is around 4 tonnes (8,800 lbs) overweight. Line number 34 (LN34), dubbed ZA380 and the first 787 earmarked for China Southern Airlines, along with LN50 for Ethiopian Airlines, are block points for further weight reductions. Line number 90 (LN90) will be the first 787-8 meeting the aircraft's original weight target with no overweight issue, the sources say. s~~~~ ~~~~~ The 21,500lb figure for ZA001 further confirms the same figure published in the Airbus 787 Dossier in December 2008, but the 13,500 and 8,800lb figures are the first public concrete estimates of the aircraft's structural weight gain. The figures also point to progress being made in the operating empty weight reduction of the aircraft, however the increased maximum takeoff weight is intended, in part, to regain the lost performance. ANA announced today it would begin long-range 787 operations connecting Tokyo's Haneda Airport and Frankfurt, Germany on January 21, 2012 with its staggered business and economy 158-seat configuration. The airline's first long-range aircraft, which is expected by year's end will feature the higher thrust Package B engines, and is likely to be either Airplane 40 or 41, which will benefit from Boeing's third block point improvement planned for implementation starting with Airplane 34. The increase in MTOW, allows for a higher structural payload to be carried, which can be accomplished by reinforcing the structure of the aircraft or adding load allieviation technologies that move lift across the wing to accommodate higher weight. Though it remains unclear how much the increase in operating empty weight is contained in the increased in MTOW. Air Lease CEO Steven Udvar-Hazy told this page in March at ISTAT: "My gut feeling is that the airplanes will always be heavier, and they'll just have more power and they'll just increase the max takeoff weight and say we still meet the spec. It's just going to become a heavier more powerful animal." -- 航空/鐵道/都市資料找不到? 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10/06 16:42, , 1F
為蛇麼前幾批會過重?@@ 不是都一樣材料 設計?
10/06 16:42, 1F

10/06 19:30, , 2F
因為前幾批都會依設計去做 設計也是人設計 很多東西都
10/06 19:30, 2F

10/06 19:30, , 3F
一開始沒考慮到 所以零件都會超過設計重量
10/06 19:30, 3F

10/06 19:32, , 4F
之後當然會把零件一些不必要的東西拿掉 譬如說 噴漆
10/06 19:32, 4F

10/06 20:18, , 5F
只好飛來台北了(誤)
10/06 20:18, 5F

10/06 21:19, , 6F
我有看過有的說法是說 當時市場上的複合材料不足
10/06 21:19, 6F

10/06 21:20, , 7F
所以前幾架製造的787有的地方還是使用傳統材料替代
10/06 21:20, 7F

10/06 21:28, , 8F
阿不是標榜這架複合材超輕省油?
10/06 21:28, 8F

10/06 22:04, , 9F
與廣告不符要賠錢嗎? XD
10/06 22:04, 9F

10/06 22:31, , 10F
這樣子誰敢先買 製造商應該要負責解決問題吧
10/06 22:31, 10F

10/06 23:04, , 11F
可能價格也很優吧~不然鐵定抗議..
10/06 23:04, 11F

10/06 23:50, , 12F
首發客戶就已經很優了,延誤又賠償,超重再賠償,搞不好免錢
10/06 23:50, 12F

10/07 08:46, , 13F
因為還沒有經過鬼島cost down處理 所以做得很「紮實」XD
10/07 08:46, 13F

10/24 23:00, , 14F
以日本兩大航空的用機習慣,
10/24 23:00, 14F

10/24 23:01, , 15F
787要停飛報廢前才會飛台灣航線.
10/24 23:01, 15F
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