[討論] Might be time for Scioscia to leave

看板Angels作者 (nathan)時間12年前 (2013/05/06 22:31), 編輯推噓24(24021)
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開始熱烈討論.......Scioscia... http://ppt.cc/a6qg KEN ROSENTHAL ANAHEIM, CALIF. Watching the Angels this season, I keep thinking, “Why does Mike Scioscia need this?” This is his 14th season in Anaheim. His best teams had an aggressive, distinctive style. This one revolves largely around two free-agent sluggers whose worst years are ahead of them, Albert Pujols and Josh Hamilton. The Angels no longer run. They no longer play crisp defense. They’ve got the worst farm system in the majors, according to Baseball America. And they’re locked into Hamilton at $25 million per season through 2017 and Pujols at $24 million per season through ’21. I’m not ruling out that the Angels could rebound from their 11-19 start once their injured players get healthy. But even if that happens, what is the end game? Other injuries are bound to occur. The team is boxed in on the trade market by its lack of young talent and owner Arte Moreno’s desire to stay under the luxury-tax threshold. And in the best-case scenario, can anyone seriously envision the Angels’ rotation carrying the club through three postseason series? Scioscia takes pride in adapting to his talent, and he did that quite well in the final five months of last season, nearly leading to the Angels to the postseason after a start very similar to this one. He is deeply invested in the franchise, and would not want to leave with unfinished business. But even though he is signed through ’18, a fresh start eventually might be best for all. For the sake of discussion, let’s assume the Angels miss the playoffs for the fourth straight season. The team’s home attendance and local TV ratings likely would decline, maybe even sharply. And Scioscia would become the face of the team’s failure, though many of the Angels’ problems are not his fault. General manager Jerry Dipoto’s master plan this season was for a powerhouse offense and shutdown bullpen to mask the shortcomings of a modest rotation. Injuries, particularly in the bullpen, have rendered the plan unrecognizable. And unlike last season, there will be no Mike Trout and Zack Greinke to save the Angels – and not even those two, plus a red-hot Torii Hunter, could lift the club to the playoffs in 2012. Remember how the Angels of old pressured opposing defenses with their base-running? These Angels are tied for ninth in the American League with 19 stolen-base attempts. They are in tied for 11th in going first-to-third, a category they led in four of the past six seasons. And they rank second in grounding into double plays. Some of this falls on Scioscia, who dropped the speedy, electric Trout from the leadoff spot to the No. 2 spot after eight games. Some of it also is a reflection of Hamilton’s season-long slump, plus injuries to shortstop Erick Aybar, third baseman Alberto Callaspo and now center fielder Peter Bourjos. Then again, the injuries only point out another of the Angels’ flaws – their lack of a quality bench. The defense is another problem. The Angels lead the AL with 21 errors and are tied for second with 21 stolen bases allowed. Right-hander Tommy Hanson was particularly helpless against the Orioles on Saturday, allowing three uncontested steals in five innings. Again, the effect of the injuries cannot be dismissed – just as the absences rob the lineup of flow, they contribute to the lack of defensive consistency. On the other hand, the excuse only goes so far. The Yankees are surviving just fine with even more significant losses. For a Mike Scioscia team, the Angels too often look like they don’t know how to play. Of course, Scioscia didn’t pick these players – Moreno was the driving force behind the Pujols and Hamilton signings, and Dipoto rebuilt the rotation, which actually has performed better of late. No baseball manager, in the parlance of Bill Parcells, “shops for the groceries.” But Scioscia has lost influence under Dipoto, and former Angels such as David Eckstein and Darin Erstad seemed to be purer reflections of the manager than many members of the current club. But want to know what is really scary? For the Angels, in the foreseeable future, this might be as good as it gets. It’s bad enough that the Angels traded shortstop Jean Segura to Milwaukee for two months of Greinke last season. But at least Segura was stuck behind second baseman Howie Kendrick and shortstop Erick Aybar, both of whom recently signed long-term deals. Worse, the Angels have parted with an entire rotation of the future in win-now trades. Left-handers Tyler Skaggs and Patrick Corbin went to Arizona for righty Dan Haren and righty Johnny Hellweg to Milwaukee for Greinke. Righty Tyler Chatwood went to Colorado for catcher Chris Iannetta, and righty Donn Roach to San Diego for reliever Ernesto Frieri. Ah, but at least the Angels can replenish through the draft, right? Not so fast. In September 2010, the team fired Eddie Bane, the scouting director who delivered Trout, outfielder Mark Trumbo and right-hander Jered Weaver, among others. And in the past two years, the Angels sacrificed first- and second-round picks for signing Pujols and lefty C.J. Wilson and another first rounder for signing Hamilton. The pickings are slim when your first choice is at No. 114, as it was for the Angels last year, and No. 59, as it will be this year. Again, the question begs asking: Why does Scioscia need this? He is 54, the same age as Indians manager Terry Francona. When Francona left the Red Sox after eight seasons in 2011, he spoke of failing to reach his players and said, “It’s time for a new voice.” Scioscia might be too stubborn and proud to make a similar concession, and he also has a contract while Francona didn’t. But if the Angels fail to recover, something will have to give. Scioscia could take a year off like Francona, but that would require him to renounce his contract. Better Scioscia should sit down with Moreno with the two agreeing to part amicably through a John Farrell-type trade – only with a bigger return. The Dodgers, Scioscia’s former team, would be the most obvious possibility. Moreno would recoil at the idea, but if he could parlay Scioscia’s reputation into a significant player or two, why not? The Angels could hire a new manager with new energy. And they would be better for it. Fourteen years is a long time for a manager to stay in one place. Especially when everything is no longer the same. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 220.133.19.118

05/07 03:29, , 1F
怒推!!!
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05/07 07:55, , 2F
推推推
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05/07 08:59, , 3F
總算有大咖的insider敢寫這論點了
05/07 08:59, 3F

05/07 14:03, , 4F
三害終於要除盡了嗎
05/07 14:03, 4F

05/07 16:34, , 5F
說蝦還蠻適合代言安養院的
05/07 16:34, 5F

05/07 16:54, , 6F
漢米 你再撐一下 打擊先不要醒來...
05/07 16:54, 6F

05/07 18:20, , 7F
路過看到樓上的推文 XDDDDD
05/07 18:20, 7F

05/08 08:54, , 8F
其實這篇有講了很多東西,有沒有人想討論一下的...
05/08 08:54, 8F

05/08 09:24, , 9F
越來越穩了 爽
05/08 09:24, 9F

05/08 10:29, , 10F
送走Corbin和Skaggs那個交易太傷 兩人都是我們缺乏的左投
05/08 10:29, 10F

05/08 10:30, , 11F
新秀,而且水準在Kazmir, Saunders, Vargas之上 其他幾個
05/08 10:30, 11F

05/08 10:33, , 12F
大概就Chatwood太早上來了有rush到,又急急忙忙把他交易
05/08 10:33, 12F

05/08 10:33, , 13F
但考慮到那時捕手是Mathis還可以接受
05/08 10:33, 13F

05/08 11:50, , 14F
話不是這麼說 沒skaggs哪來的Haren 況且小蛇自己花時間養
05/08 11:50, 14F

05/08 11:52, , 15F
chatwood <-> Iannetta 也是good move
05/08 11:52, 15F

05/08 11:59, , 16F
Iannetta那個交易我覺得不錯,Haren也交出很棒的數據;但
05/08 11:59, 16F

05/08 12:00, , 17F
Skaggs和Corbin可能是Reagins時期以來本隊最好的投手新秀
05/08 12:00, 17F

05/08 12:01, , 18F
加上又是左投,一次出pair我覺得有討論空間
05/08 12:01, 18F

05/08 12:41, , 19F
要換Haren出這樣包裹是必然的,只是個人很看重左投手...
05/08 12:41, 19F

05/08 12:47, , 20F
或許有吧 但與其問號打在這 不如去可惜Walden-Bell-Reckl
05/08 12:47, 20F

05/08 12:47, , 21F
Reckling
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05/08 12:49, , 22F
只是這樣一來就可惜不完了...看完這篇文章我只懷念起Izzy
05/08 12:49, 22F

05/08 12:49, , 23F
以及這已經不是說蝦的球隊了...
05/08 12:49, 23F

05/08 13:22, , 24F
罵歸罵 現在每天看到說瞎在dugout裡無助的樣子還是很感慨
05/08 13:22, 24F

05/08 13:30, , 25F
其實各大職業運動好像都是 教練在同一隻球隊待久了影響力
05/08 13:30, 25F

05/08 13:31, , 26F
就會下降 馬刺Popovich教練算是少數特例
05/08 13:31, 26F

05/08 16:52, , 27F
Bell跟Reckling沒養起來真的很傷心啊...
05/08 16:52, 27F

05/08 16:53, , 28F
我們的農場養成到底要怎麼解決...
05/08 16:53, 28F

05/08 22:49, , 29F
在球隊決定大採購時就得有農場荒蕪的心理準備囉XD
05/08 22:49, 29F

05/08 22:53, , 30F
斷貨時如果庫存不足/不佳 就變這個樣子XD
05/08 22:53, 30F

05/08 22:56, , 31F
先別擔心農場吧 Major問題解決才是唯一正途(看向某老人)
05/08 22:56, 31F

05/08 22:59, , 32F
另外就是板凳深度的問題 我是覺得交易Greinke那筆有點瞎
05/08 22:59, 32F

05/08 23:18, , 33F
其實也還算情有可原 mid IF被塞滿了又想短期拼一把
05/08 23:18, 33F

05/08 23:20, , 34F
當然以結果論 一定有更聰明的辦法...
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05/09 00:10, , 35F
以前Stoneman時期常被說太保守 Dipoto和Reagins比較敢拚
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05/09 00:13, , 36F
真的是結果論 幸好Trout和Trumbo有存活下來
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05/09 16:00, , 37F
其實我覺得很大一部份的問題在Arte...
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05/09 16:01, , 38F
尤其今年這種賤賣K-Mo和Wells的方式之後...
05/09 16:01, 38F

05/09 20:25, , 39F
Arte似乎是很喜歡棒球 有可能太想贏了 介入太多GM的事務
05/09 20:25, 39F

05/10 00:26, , 40F
講Wells那筆就算了 交易K-Mo跟Arte有相關?
05/10 00:26, 40F

05/10 06:47, , 41F
有..Boras...
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05/10 11:46, , 42F
表示欣慰
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05/10 12:11, , 43F
川寶怎麼可以盲成這樣
05/10 12:11, 43F

05/10 13:10, , 44F
西瓜要掰了?
05/10 13:10, 44F

05/11 21:43, , 45F
總算有人開砲了!我恨透這老頭,拿滿手好牌打這種鳥成績!
05/11 21:43, 45F
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