[新聞] A-Rod conspiracy theory emerges

看板A-Rod作者 (November Rain)時間16年前 (2007/11/11 17:53), 編輯推噓16(16045)
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這其實是幾天以前的新聞了。 球員工會懷疑大聯盟勾結各隊,以壓低A-Rod新合約的價格 來源: http://tinyurl.com/24n98b A-Rod conspiracy theory emerges Union questions Selig, accusses teams of collusion 球員工會:一切都是陰謀吧?! ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) -- The baseball players' union is worried commissioner Bud Selig is trying to hold down the price of Alex Rodriguez's next contract and that teams might be sharing information about their free-agent plans. General managers, in an innovation, each spoke at their annual meeting Tues- day about their offseason goals, and many mentioned what players they were making available. The idea was suggested by this year's co-chairs, Boston's Theo Epstein and Florida's Larry Beinfest, and many GMs said they found it to be useful. "Over the past few days, press reports coming out of the general managers' meetings relating to the sharing of information between clubs as to their plans regarding players potentially raise serious questions concerning the fairness and integrity of the free-agent market," the union said in a state- ment Thursday night after the four-day session ended. "Such questions are amplified by reports stating that the commissioner is attempting to influence the market for at least one player." A person familiar with the union's statement said the player in question was Rodriguez. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because the state- ment didn't refer to A-Rod by name. Rob Manfred, executive vice president of labor relations in the commission- er's office, denied that there was any improper conduct. Baseball's labor contract says teams may not act in concert with regard to free agents. Union head Donald Fehr did not specify which reports concerned him but clearly was concerned a team's action might not be based solely on its own determinations. "Any such activity with respect to free agents is clearly improper," Fehr said in a statement. "We expect to look into the situation and are prepared to take the appropriate action to respond to any collusive behavior, and to make sure that the rights of free agent players under the Basic Agreement are fully protected." Fehr was traveling Thursday night and could not be reached. "I am at a loss to understand Mr. Fehr's inflammatory allegations," Manfred said. "In response to an inquiry, the MLBPA was informed early today that there has been no exchange of information among the clubs about players -- free agent or otherwise. "The union was also told that the press report in question was based on a very general discussion of club "needs" and "goals" in the offseason to faci- litate trade discussions. Any suggestion that such a discussion violates the Basic Agreement is absurd." In the 1980s, players won three collusion grievances against management, cases that were settled for $280 million. Rodriguez opted out of a record 10-year, $252 million contract with the New York Yankees, forfeiting $72 million he was owed during the final three sea- sons. When the Yankees attempted to get a meeting with A-Rod, agent Scott Boras told them they had to make a $350 million offer if they wished to speak with the third baseman. -- 宇宙裡的微小塵埃 http://www.wretch.cc/album/AllyDai -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 219.91.75.99

11/11 20:04, , 1F
=.=會懷疑是正常 ....
11/11 20:04, 1F

11/11 20:05, , 2F
不過事實上 真的是太貴的關係
11/11 20:05, 2F

11/11 20:40, , 3F
=.=....
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11/11 20:49, , 4F
這年頭 球迷都幫資方講話了
11/11 20:49, 4F

11/11 20:52, , 5F
太貴也都馬自己喊爽的 真的有價值市場自然會決定
11/11 20:52, 5F

11/11 20:54, , 6F
工會不允許供需法則嗎?
11/11 20:54, 6F

11/11 21:35, , 7F
怕薪資創新高,gm們想聯合打有限度戰爭,並非總體消耗戰
11/11 21:35, 7F

11/11 21:38, , 8F
這種不公開協議,第三方仲裁者(mlb官方)不用管嗎??
11/11 21:38, 8F

11/12 02:56, , 9F
mlb官方應該也是比較傾個資方.畢竟這幾年的薪資炒作太兇狠了
11/12 02:56, 9F

11/12 03:12, , 10F
炒作太兇? 球團賺的錢變多, 不給球員難不成放到老闆口袋
11/12 03:12, 10F

11/12 03:14, , 11F
會比較好嗎?
11/12 03:14, 11F

11/12 12:25, , 12F
老實說 要拿跟JORDAN差不多的薪水 就要有跟JORDAN一樣的
11/12 12:25, 12F

11/12 12:26, , 13F
主宰力呀
11/12 12:26, 13F

11/12 12:30, , 14F
打棒球是要怎麼跟籃球一樣有主宰力..其他8棒都可以放著?
11/12 12:30, 14F

11/12 12:32, , 15F
jordan一球兩分..阿肉一棒也只能一分阿~~
11/12 12:32, 15F

11/12 12:34, , 16F
樓上 所以各球團才會對於 要拿出一年三千萬以上的薪水
11/12 12:34, 16F

11/12 12:35, , 17F
而猶豫不決啊
11/12 12:35, 17F

11/12 19:19, , 18F
腦袋還有一點理智的都會覺得貴吧
11/12 19:19, 18F

11/12 21:03, , 19F
突然覺得這年頭連因為東西太貴而不買也是一種罪
11/12 21:03, 19F

11/13 03:35, , 20F
物價上漲的這年頭,勞方都在幫不漲薪水的資方說話也真妙
11/13 03:35, 20F

11/13 03:36, , 21F
貴不貴市場競爭自然會決定,不應該由資方聯合起來串價
11/13 03:36, 21F

11/13 03:42, , 22F
相信資方口中宣稱的"貴"其實就是被資方操控了價格
11/13 03:42, 22F

11/13 08:02, , 23F
怕就怕明明是市場競爭的結果,卻被有心人操作成陰謀論
11/13 08:02, 23F

11/13 08:04, , 24F
人的私靠往往會進入這樣的一個誤區:只要表現好就該加薪
11/13 08:04, 24F

11/13 08:05, , 25F
熟不知加不加薪與表現好不好一點關係不應該有
11/13 08:05, 25F

11/13 08:06, , 26F
要不要加薪應該看現在他表現的價值是否已經超越了他拿的錢
11/13 08:06, 26F

11/13 08:08, , 27F
當他所要的價格明顯已經超過他的表現這就叫貴
11/13 08:08, 27F

11/13 08:09, , 28F
如果阿肉要的價碼低於他的表現,相信我,他的要求一定會成功
11/13 08:09, 28F

11/13 08:11, , 29F
畢竟物超所值的東西絕對是大家搶著要的
11/13 08:11, 29F

11/13 08:13, , 30F
聯合壟斷是不切實際地
11/13 08:13, 30F

11/13 08:13, , 31F
壟斷惟一會成功的機率就是阿肉要的價碼已經超過了他的表現
11/13 08:13, 31F

11/13 09:26, , 32F
球員在球場上的表現反映在薪水上的認定是主觀的
11/13 09:26, 32F

11/13 09:31, , 33F
球員或經紀人向球團提出他們想要的價碼
11/13 09:31, 33F

11/13 09:32, , 34F
球團本身也會有願意付的價格
11/13 09:32, 34F

11/13 09:33, , 35F
像A-Rod這種市場上難得一見的大魚開價當然很驚人
11/13 09:33, 35F

11/13 09:35, , 36F
球員或經紀人跟球團之間自然會在互相喊價中取得共識
11/13 09:35, 36F

11/13 09:37, , 37F
而當數個球團想搶1個球員時成交價自然會被抬高
11/13 09:37, 37F

11/13 09:38, , 38F
棒球數據還沒有先進到可以推算出薪水與成績的關係
11/13 09:38, 38F

11/13 09:39, , 39F
這跟加不加薪一點關係也沒有
11/13 09:39, 39F

11/13 11:24, , 40F
是阿..如果表現要和薪水符合..計算法難道是1支全壘打500
11/13 11:24, 40F

11/13 11:25, , 41F
k 一個三振扣100k?這樣算法嗎..很難去評斷怎麼樣表現較
11/13 11:25, 41F

11/13 11:25, , 42F
低於價碼...像今年來說很兩極..可以說他季後賽沒打好..
11/13 11:25, 42F

11/13 11:26, , 43F
但是也可以說是因為他才進季後賽..那他有沒有符合他的價
11/13 11:26, 43F

11/13 11:26, , 44F
碼?其實阿肉還有一個有利條件..就是他有機會破全壘打紀
11/13 11:26, 44F

11/13 11:27, , 45F
錄..這點應該也要算在他的合約價值中吧
11/13 11:27, 45F

11/13 13:04, , 46F
但是破生涯全壘打紀錄好像沒有比世界大賽冠軍更重要
11/13 13:04, 46F

11/13 13:04, , 47F
不否認破生涯全壘打紀錄也很棒,但似乎球團更重視冠軍吧
11/13 13:04, 47F

11/13 14:58, , 48F
反正等著看戲就好,戲碼還多著呢.
11/13 14:58, 48F

11/13 15:38, , 49F
不過我很好奇..球團拿到冠軍也不會說賺比較多錢阿?多幾
11/13 15:38, 49F

11/13 15:39, , 50F
場世界大賽門票錢是很多拉...不過其實拿冠軍應該是球員
11/13 15:39, 50F

11/13 15:40, , 51F
想要..而球團還好吧??請教一下...
11/13 15:40, 51F

11/13 16:43, , 52F
尤其重點A-Rod是聯盟最高薪,有指標意義,雙方都會很注意
11/13 16:43, 52F

11/13 16:48, , 53F
他代表的是其他球員薪水的空間,資方會有上修的壓力
11/13 16:48, 53F

11/13 16:50, , 54F
並不只是單純值不值得這身價的問題而已
11/13 16:50, 54F

11/13 16:52, , 55F
這種時候資方可能聯合串價的機率不小,工會才會跳出來
11/13 16:52, 55F

11/14 22:02, , 56F
冠軍對球團來講,並不是只有那幾場比賽的門票收入,這也是
11/14 22:02, 56F

11/14 22:03, , 57F
這個球隊價值的一個證明..會贏的球隊才會吸引更多球迷,ꐠ
11/14 22:03, 57F

11/14 22:05, , 58F
才會讓門票收入增加,周邊商品賣的更好,吸引更好的球員,
11/14 22:05, 58F

11/14 22:06, , 59F
總之,這是良性循環,球隊當然非常渴望,世界大賽冠軍的價괠
11/14 22:06, 59F

11/14 22:06, , 60F
值絕不是只有那幾場的門票收入
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06/30 19:16, 4年前 , 61F
會比較好嗎? http://yaxiv.com
06/30 19:16, 61F
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